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When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:29 pm

Food and drugs. When transgenic products are used. GMO foods are not studied well enough before launch.

This was a food supplement thought to help some people:
https://www.supplements-and-health.com/ ... ophan.html

It’s now forgotten as even when produced without GMOs it is useless for depression
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Post by Tero » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:13 pm

Numerous GMO crops have led to biological problems in the field. There is now enough data to ban all GMO crops. They have led to overuse of Roundup and all that follows.

This is all before we eat them.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:34 pm

GMO foods are not studied well enough before lunch.
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by JimC » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:58 pm

Other areas:

* building regulations (think of fire risks etc)
* regulating polluting discharges into the air and waterways
* licensing a variety of occupations, particularly medical, legal, building/engineering, primarily to remove the safety risks via shonky operators
* financial regulations, essentially to protect the public and fight corruption

If people with libertarian sensibilities want to see the results of removing or not enforcing sensible regulation, just let them look at much of the third world...
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:15 pm

After lunch this is a quick read.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/09934367 ... ref=plSrch

GMO corn is mostly fed to animals which we can then safely eat.

But so much of US and Canadian wheat is exported that the farmers resisted Monsanto. Europe did not want any of the GM crop.

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Post by Rum » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:19 pm

I was once involved with an issue which closed down a school for disabled kids. The building in question needed quite a lot of repair but in the process the equal opportunities, access for all and health and safety people jumped on the bandwagon.

The scenario became literally nightmarish as the regulations required to get the place 'up to speed' were so complex and draconian. Endless futile meetings.

In the end the school budget could not meet the cost and the local council decided that the kids should go to mainstream (another regulation - one I generally agree with) if at all possible. End result - the school closed.

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Post by Rum » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:21 pm

Tero wrote:After lunch this is a quick read.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/09934367 ... ref=plSrch

GMO corn is mostly fed to animals which we can then safely eat.

But so much of US and Canadian wheat is exported that the farmers resisted Monsanto. Europe did not want any of the GM crop.
GM is still technically banned in the UK. It is however in a lot of produce originating elsewhere - canned tomatoes as an example. Seems no escaping it.

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Post by Tero » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:49 pm

Well, the consumer is the test, as we are even in electronics.

When allergy, vomiting etc occurs in an area, it can often be tracked to a single product. Most of the cases so far have been recalls that the FDA did not really follow up on very well.

The various agencies in countries do not study drugs or foods prior to disasters. The safety studies prior to selling are all done by the manufacturer. FDA can request more studies if unsure. Foods are more complex to study.

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Post by JimC » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:16 pm

Rum wrote:I was once involved with an issue which closed down a school for disabled kids. The building in question needed quite a lot of repair but in the process the equal opportunities, access for all and health and safety people jumped on the bandwagon.

The scenario became literally nightmarish as the regulations required to get the place 'up to speed' were so complex and draconian. Endless futile meetings.

In the end the school budget could not meet the cost and the local council decided that the kids should go to mainstream (another regulation - one I generally agree with) if at all possible. End result - the school closed.
This is one end of the pendulum, sure - they can go overboard. However, there are also constant stories of disasters, often in the 3rd world, which occur because building regulations etc. are either non existent, or corruptly ignored...
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:42 am

That was food regulation, sorry.

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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by laklak » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:17 am

Down with regulations! Fuck the regulators! Tiny dicked little meddling bureaucrats, can't compete with real men so they sit in an office and make up fucking rules for their betters to follow. Feed them to the giant GMO mega-pigs, that will teach 'em!
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:39 am

What about the airbags? Oh, I forgot, you just drive the car into a telephone pole and cut them off and drive off. But isn’t there an alarm that then beeps forever?

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Post by Animavore » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:34 am

If it weren't for those pesky regulators we'd still be allowed to employ children.
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:33 am

And put lead in paint. When will this madness stop?
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