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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by JimC » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:24 am

And all those regulations which prevent the rape of Guinea Pigs! :lay:
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:27 am

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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by rainbow » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:32 am

Tero wrote:Food and drugs. When transgenic products are used. GMO foods are not studied well enough before launch.
What is the process required to get GMO foods approved?

How would you change it?

Why should this apply to GMO products and not every product?
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:47 pm

Europe has a process. The US does not. The foods are simply launched. The lots can be tested. As long as known pesticides and herbicides are at approved leveks, no problem. I have some more detai here. They are never studied as well as drugs.
http://esapolitics.blogspot.com/2017/12 ... crops.html

About the only rule we have is labeling in stores. Makers choose to label only non GMO foods:
https://www.cornucopia.org/2014/07/gmo- ... AgQAvD_BwE

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Post by Tero » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:54 pm

The herbicide has never has never been even tested in the US. Safety sheet is only for the active component
http://www.inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics0160.htm
and not the formulated product, with additives to make it penetrate tissues.

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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:46 pm

Why should this apply to GMO products and not every product?
Because they have ingredients (Bt, a bacterial protein) that are not food as we know it. Foods that were invented by selective breeding or other means involving plants are derived from genes from that species. We have been eating them for thousands of years. The breeding simply gave bigger corn, bigger crops of starch or oil. The same starch and oil we ate before. There are no new proteins either. Allergy to wheat is to natural wheat proteins. No surprises.

I thought this was obvious. I know you folks are not Trump voters, but who didn't know the truth about Monsanto trickery? They have manipulated agencies for years and even the EPA downplays hazards of roundup.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:46 am

Yeah, the real unknown is transgenic modification. That sort of stuff needs much greater regulation and data.
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by laklak » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:56 am

Feed it to the Somalis, they'll eat anything. Give it to them for free, it beats selling a kidney. Check them out in a couple of years. Nothing like real-world data, you know.
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by rainbow » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:12 am

Tero wrote:
Why should this apply to GMO products and not every product?
Because they have ingredients (Bt, a bacterial protein) that are not food as we know it.
Bacterial protein is not food? Ever had yoghurt?
Foods that were invented by selective breeding or other means involving plants are derived from genes from that species. We have been eating them for thousands of years. The breeding simply gave bigger corn, bigger crops of starch or oil. The same starch and oil we ate before.
Not so simple. Selective breeding can introduce new compounds, and introduce new levels of existing compounds. I dare you to eat a Jamaican Scorpion Chili.
There are no new proteins either. Allergy to wheat is to natural wheat proteins. No surprises.
Incorrect. New strains of grains are being produced by 'conventional' selective breeding that contain higher levels of essential amino acids. A good thing, but it disproves that new proteins are not being introduced.
I thought this was obvious. I know you folks are not Trump voters, but who didn't know the truth about Monsanto trickery?
Cut out the "guilty by association" argument.
Just because one can accept that GMO has a place, does not mean we have anything to do with Monsanto or any other AgriBiz. Yes, there is no question they have to be tested carefully, but that applies equally to other new products introduced into the market.
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tyrannical » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:38 am

Tero wrote:
Why should this apply to GMO products and not every product?
Because they have ingredients (Bt, a bacterial protein) that are not food as we know it. Foods that were invented by selective breeding or other means involving plants are derived from genes from that species. We have been eating them for thousands of years. The breeding simply gave bigger corn, bigger crops of starch or oil. The same starch and oil we ate before. There are no new proteins either. Allergy to wheat is to natural wheat proteins. No surprises.

I thought this was obvious. I know you folks are not Trump voters, but who didn't know the truth about Monsanto trickery? They have manipulated agencies for years and even the EPA downplays hazards of roundup.
Who is this 'We' you speak of?
You haven't been eating corn for thousands of years, Native South and Central Americans have. And they haven't been eating Wheat or Rice for thousands of years, only a few hundred. Potatoes, where are they from again :ask:
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:39 am

What's that got to do with transgenics?
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:26 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Yeah, the real unknown is transgenic modification..
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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:08 pm

There are lots of people in the world that can’t eat everything. But when you get wheat bread or a glass of milk you know insrantly what it is and whether you can eat it. When there are hidden genes and proteins you do not.

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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by laklak » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:45 pm

There are some people who can't eat anything. Like Ethiopians.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: When more regulation is better

Post by Tero » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:42 am

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