100 years October jubilee

[DRSB]

What are the lessons learned from this huge utopian project?
Marx certainly did not have Russia in mind when he was writing about the scientific communism. But there comes Lenin and makes it all about himself.

Some more pics: https://www.telesurtv.net/english/multi ... -0022.html

[cronus]

Pivotal moment was a decade before. Everything about the successful revolution came from lessons learnt via the failed one. It was a revolution looking for its cause and not a cause looking for its revolution to start with...when the dam finally broke on the austerity of the war years.

[JimC]

Let's all burn some Romanov effigies in bonfires...

[Svartalf]

NEVER AGAIN !!

[cronus]

NEVER AGAIN !!

Denial, the surest sign it'll happen again.

[Hermit]

What are the lessons learned from this huge utopian project?

Power, once attained, will not be relinquished without a fight.

By that I mean that the Bolsheviks really did plan for a bottom up form of government, but the immediately ensuing civil war necessitated a top to bottom command structure, and once the commanders were in control they were not going to relinquish it.

And yes, of course, Marx was right. You cannot go from a feudal society to a communist one. Not in Russia, not in China, not anywhere else. Societies have to enjoy the benefits of capitalism, then suffer the consequences of capitalism tearing itself apart, for the development of a communist society to become a possibility.

[DRSB]

What are the lessons learned from this huge utopian project?

Power, once attained, will not be relinquished without a fight.

By that I mean that the Bolsheviks really did plan for a bottom up form of government, but the immediately ensuing civil war necessitated a top to bottom command structure, and once the commanders were in control they were not going to relinquish it.

And yes, of course, Marx was right. You cannot go from a feudal society to a communist one. Not in Russia, not in China, not anywhere else. Societies have to enjoy the benefits of capitalism, then suffer the consequences of capitalism tearing itself apart, for the development of a communist society to become a possibility.

True! Lenin overplayed his cards in Russia! He even reinstated some form of capitalism with NEP.
The best side effect of this Utopia was the Russian Avantgarde. My favourite personality is the multi-talent Mayakovskij, here some of his sketches: https://muzeimayakovskogo.ru/collection/graphic/

[cronus]

An important lesson is the narrative stands supreme, more important than raw materials or human misery. You can run out of food, fuel and ink for posters but you can't afford to run out of a viable narrative. What doomed Russian communism was not the material constraints but a lack of story. It was killed by nihilism like is happening to the West right now.

[DRSB]

Yes, this was the narrative.

[cronus]

At the end 'food alone' was the narrative, then the system failed. Not how it started...yes, that is how it ended. Food alone is not enough for the human 'soul' I guess?

[DRSB]

[DRSB]

‘My God, can this be happening?’ How the Romanovs faced their gruesome deaths

When they so casually surrendered their authority in March 1917, Nicholas II and the man he abdicated in favor of, Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich, could have barely imagined the mounting humiliations that would befall them in the coming months. And even in their hour of death they maintained the same demeanor of haughty dignity and otherworldly naiveté.
During his eight-day journey in a windowless freight train to his exile in the Urals in March 1918, Grand Duke Mikhail would have had plenty of time to ponder if he had done as much as he could to avoid this outcome. In and out of house arrest in the preceding months, Mikhail appealed to the British for asylum (rejected, just as was his brother’s application), packed his possessions for a journey to Finland (forbidden at the last minute), and wrote a letter to Vladimir Lenin, asking if he could change his name to Mikhail Brasov, after his estate (ignored). But he had made no concerted attempt to escape.

Tooted as examples of Stoic attitude: https://www.rt.com/news/408990-romanovs ... ian-royal/

[cronus]

History shows what happens to fallen alphas. They never learn. Believing their 'refined' body language is their status they are judged harshly by the way they act, which had set the trend a short while before. If you stick around when you are no longer the currency - well...your clocks cogs not working, really.

[Tyrannical]

I still find it amusing that China still pretends to be Communist.

[cronus]

I still find it amusing that China still pretends to be Communist.

....and Europe doesn't.