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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:22 pm

NineBerry wrote:The question where those stories are published and how you find them are two different ones.
They aren't radically different questions. How do I find them? By looking at mainstream news publications, generally their websites as I don't read much physical newsprint these days. I turn on my computer, or open up my phone, and I read various news sources.

Often I go to news clearinghouse sites -- http://www.usnation.com/ and http://www.newser.com/

This stuff is not hidden. If a person steps outside of their social media or tumblr bubble, they'll see myriad news sources. I know a lot of folks block things on their twitter and facebook feeds, so as not to be exposed to things they find disconcerting. However, I don't have a Twitter account, and my wife controls our facebook (I take little interest in the goings on of facebook, as it's mostly people selling things and making mundane updates on their daily affairs - I like it to keep up on family and friends from time to time, but it's not a place I involve myself with otherwise).
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:05 pm

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Forty Two wrote:
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Forty Two wrote:Well, your suggestion is noted. And, I have explained several times that I do not have an obsession with it, but I have an interest. I find it entertaining. I find it fascinating. I find it fascinating for the same reason I find religious fanatics and creationists, etc., fascinating and interesting - it's not that I imbue them with an overblown importance on the world - I think creationists have little real importance, but I am nevertheless fascinated by what they believe, and why they believe it.
The entire GOP are creationists, and they control the government and military of the most powerful country in the world. The "fringe loony left" in America throw bottles and sticks and break the occasional store window, and have been known to take political correctness a bit too far.

I think you are worried about the wrong things.
Well, i think you're wrong about "the entire GOP," and I think you minimize what the fringe loony left does. However, I think you worry about the wrong things, but that has no real relevance to the discussions of these kinds of threads. Discuss what you're interested in.

And, I am not in the least "worried" about the loony left - I am amused. I am entertained. I am fascinated. I am amused at their behavior (a more recent example is the other day when they had "scream at the sky" day and went out in public to holler their "barbaric yawp" at the sky express their displeasure to the world). I am entertained, because discussions of the looney left are fun for me. And, I am fascinated, again, because I sincerely do try to understand how anyone of normal intelligence can actually find their positions persuasive - so much so, that just like with religious loons, that their conviction and certainty give me this 1% pause - this nagging tap on the shoulder -- that I must - must -- literally MUST be missing something in what they're saying. Because how can arguments so bizarre, so internally inconsistent, and so illogical actually be accepted by the people making them?
Republicans are totally divorced from reality. These people should not be in positions of power. If you think the "fringe loony left's" tendency to go a little overboard with political correctness is bigger cause for concern, then you are completely and totally bananas.



58% of Republicans are young-earth creationists.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold- ... igins.aspx
Indeed, young-Earth Creationism is an example of a looney belief that I am fascinated by, as I've explained. Interestingly, 41% of Democrats are young-Earth creationists. https://io9.gizmodo.com/5978332/41-of-d ... eationists - I don't believe the differential is particularly complimentary to Democrats.
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68% of Republicans believe in demonic possession.
Yes, and 75.6 percent of Democrats agreed that positive thoughts could influence the physical world.

Seabass wrote: 58% of Republicans and Republican leaning independents say that colleges are bad for America.
http://www.people-press.org/2017/07/10/ ... stitutions
Nearly six-in-ten Democratics believe socialism has a 'positive impact on society,' https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/ ... ism-219600

49.1% of Democrats believe in Astrology. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 04e406f4a1
Seabass wrote: Only 45% of Trump voters believe that Trump Jr. met with Russians, even after he publicly admitted to it.
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61% of Democrats either thought (35%) or were not sure (26%) whether Bush knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks, and purposefully allowed them to happen.

Seabass wrote: 52% of Republicans think Trump won the popular vote.
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54% of Republicans believe that Obama is a muslim.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... _90115.pdf

41% of Republicans do not believe Obama was born in the US.
An additional 31% of Republicans have doubts about Obama’s citizenship.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-e ... on-n627446

43% of Republicans say there is a lot of discrimination against whites, while 27% say there is a lot of discrimination against blacks.
https://www.prri.org/spotlight/republic ... imination/

31% of Trump supporters support building a wall on the eastern seaboard to prevent migrants from entering the US via the Atlantic Ocean.
http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-tru ... all-2016-8

79 percent of people who voted for President Trump say he should remain even if collusion is proven, and 75 percent said the entire Russia story is “fake news."
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52% of Republicans would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump recommended it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... oposed-it/
When referring to Republicans, you're referring to mainstream people. Idiots.

69% of Democrats believe in aliens visiting the Earth... citing a 2013 poll from YouGov and the Huffington Post. “Democrats were also significantly more likely than Republicans to believe in fortune telling, and about twice as likely to believe in the astrology.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... tisan.html

While 39% of Republicans reject the theory of evolution - 30% of Democrats do too. http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/15/are-r ... -more-anti

I'm not a Republican, and i certainly oppose the prevailing beliefs in the supernatural, gods, etc. - I also oppose supernaturalism in the sense of ghosts, paranormal, astrology and the like.

And, the conspiracy theories abound on both sides. Sure, GOP-ers are quick to "believe" that Obama is Muslim or was born outside the US. But, Democrats are quick to believe Bush did 9/11 and knew in advance, but purposefully let it happen.

One explanation of this tendency is set out here - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/upsh ... ories.html

Most people are idiots - I mean - the average IQ is 100, which means a lot of people are trotting around with IQ's from 80 to 99. These are the folks who really don't know much. These are the people who answer interview questions and cannot name the Vice President of the United States, and don't know what "Congress" is. These are the people who will oppose a political candidate, but support all of that candidate's policies when told the policies are supported by a politician or party they like.

Of course these people believe weird stuff. They don't know much. But the notion that this is limited to one party in the US is wrong. It's also wrong to limit it to the US. When folks examine their own citizenry, they will find just as much idiocy, only different issues tend to prevail.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Seabass » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:37 pm

However stupid Democrats may be, they're not trying to impose their stupid beliefs on everyone else. There are no Democrats trying to have astrology taught in schools. Democrats aren't using astrology to limit gay rights or ban abortion. Meanwhile, the GOP is doing everything in its power to implement Christian sharia and make the earth uninhabitable.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Seabass » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:51 pm

Forty Two wrote:
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Trigger Warning!!!1! :
Fox is so far right it's considered only good for confirming your biases. And Breitbart and InfoWars are barely considered news.
Fox is far right, and Breitbart is clickbait and InfoWars is conspiracy theory nuttery. who's suggesting that these are great sources of unbiased news?

However, to suggest that CNN has "minimal partisan bias" is absurd in the extreme. CNN is pro-Democrat at least as much as FoxNews is pro Republican. They are both owned or swear allegiance to a political party, which is the definition of partisanship.

And, anyone listening to NPR (as I do all the time - at least 3-4 times per week) can tell they are obviously left leaning (moderately) and partisan toward the Democrat party. Similarly, the New York Times is partisan Democrat. The New York Times still does great reporting, and is generally, I think, reliable, but they are moderately partisan.
To call CNN as biased a Fox News is laughable. CNN always drove right down the middle until Trump. No sane or decent human being can remain non-partisan while a sentient shit stain like Trump occupies the White House.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:13 pm

Seabass wrote:However stupid Democrats may be, they're not trying to impose their stupid beliefs on everyone else. There are no Democrats trying to have astrology taught in schools. Democrats aren't using astrology to limit gay rights or ban abortion. Meanwhile, the GOP is doing everything in its power to implement Christian sharia and make the earth uninhabitable.
I share your opposition to the Christian right's agenda; however, to say that Democrats don't try to impose their stupid beliefs (e.g. GMO labeling or banning, anti-vaxers, Happy Meal toys in fast food, soda (or to regulate the size of cups, requirements of pronoun usage, banning horse drawn carriages, goldfish as pets, crosshair symbols in political advertisements, and Barbie dolls...). If it's one thing that ideologues of any stripe like to do, is tell people what to do.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:21 pm

Seabass wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Trigger Warning!!!1! :
Fox is so far right it's considered only good for confirming your biases. And Breitbart and InfoWars are barely considered news.
Fox is far right, and Breitbart is clickbait and InfoWars is conspiracy theory nuttery. who's suggesting that these are great sources of unbiased news?

However, to suggest that CNN has "minimal partisan bias" is absurd in the extreme. CNN is pro-Democrat at least as much as FoxNews is pro Republican. They are both owned or swear allegiance to a political party, which is the definition of partisanship.

And, anyone listening to NPR (as I do all the time - at least 3-4 times per week) can tell they are obviously left leaning (moderately) and partisan toward the Democrat party. Similarly, the New York Times is partisan Democrat. The New York Times still does great reporting, and is generally, I think, reliable, but they are moderately partisan.
To call CNN as biased a Fox News is laughable. CNN always drove right down the middle until Trump. No sane or decent human being can remain non-partisan while a sentient shit stain like Trump occupies the White House.
The aren't called the Clinton News Network for nothing. They were so far up Clinton's ass, they were kissing the back of her teeth.

Wolf Blitzer of CNN asked the Democratic National Committee for ideas on questions to ask Donald Trump in an interview. “Wolf Blitzer is interviewing Trump on Tues ahead of his foreign policy address on Wed. … Please send me thoughts by 10:30 AM tomorrow,” the email, released by WikiLeaks read. A separate email from the DNC requested that “CNN was looking for questions” for then GOP primary candidates Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and “maybe a couple on” former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... tant-bias/ Donna Brazile worked for CNN and was given debate questions by the moderators and forwarded them to Hillary Clinton in advance of the debates "from time to time." LOL.

I watch CNN all the time, and they very much have an agenda. MSNBC is even worse than them. CNN is about as biased as Fox News, and MSNBC is ridiculous. It's unwatchable.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Seabass » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:40 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Seabass wrote:However stupid Democrats may be, they're not trying to impose their stupid beliefs on everyone else. There are no Democrats trying to have astrology taught in schools. Democrats aren't using astrology to limit gay rights or ban abortion. Meanwhile, the GOP is doing everything in its power to implement Christian sharia and make the earth uninhabitable.
I share your opposition to the Christian right's agenda; however, to say that Democrats don't try to impose their stupid beliefs (e.g. GMO labeling or banning, anti-vaxers, Happy Meal toys in fast food, soda (or to regulate the size of cups, requirements of pronoun usage, banning horse drawn carriages, goldfish as pets, crosshair symbols in political advertisements, and Barbie dolls...). If it's one thing that ideologues of any stripe like to do, is tell people what to do.
Even if we accept for the sake of argument that all of your accusations are true, it all pales in comparison to the Republicans' indifference to environmental concerns and their desire to convert the US into a theocracy.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:12 pm

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Post by Forty Two » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:14 pm

Well, here's the thing, I am not here to defend Republicans, and they are, generally speaking, holding views I disagree with. That being said, it is a minority of Republicans, in actual fact, who would "convert the US into a theocracy." Recall, there is a libertarian wing of the Republican party which tends to want the government out of speech, religion, and other affairs involving fundamental rights. There is, of course, the religious right wing of the GOP too, which does want the government to regulate speech, expression, religion and whatnot. So, I do share your concern, just not to the same degree, I suppose.

There is plenty I hate about the Republican Platform - I am pro choice, pro gay marriage, anti-speech code, freedom of religion oriented, and against strong police powers in terms of search & seizure and all that. I am against the death penalty, and against the war on drugs, and all that. I am no supporter of Republicans.

I don't, however, have the view that Democrats or the Democratic party have some benevolence and special care and concern for the world, nor do imbue them with any sort of trust or confidence. I also oppose most of their platform in the arena of economics, and their decided leftward momentum - their vector in that direction - is not for me.

That's why I typically say here that there is nobody to vote for. That's why I opposed every Republican candidate except Trump (who I initially opposed, and actually was won over by his campaign over time. I still think he has a chance to do great things, and we shall see. I realize why people object to him, and I share the distaste for his language, his juvenile tweets and such, and his mannerisms - I would not like him in person, and I would not like working for him - I've worked for people of his style and ilk before, and I loathe them. But, one thing you can say about that style and people of his mindset and mind - they get shit done. And, before you scoff at Trump, what he did was mindblowing. Remarkable. To go from laughing stock in July 2015, with everyone against him, and those that weren't against him laughing at him or not taking him seriously - to dismantling his Republican opposition one by one -- when there were establishment members of his own party against him - forming coalitions of "Never Trumpers" and doing everything in their power to beat him -- he managed to defeat them all, and then went on to keep his promise of defeating Hillary.

If there is one thing the Trump election did for me was give me a sense of relief - that the election really isn't rigged. If it was, Trump could never get elected. You can't be hated by that many people who hold the power in a system and win if it was rigged. Even if Russia wanted Trump elected and helped him do it with propaganda and even if they did hack the DNC -- the fact that Trump got himself elected President of the United States is the single most impressive feat in modern electoral history. It says something about his capacity and capabilities.
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Forty Two wrote:And, before you scoff at Trump, what he did was mindblowing. Remarkable. To go from laughing stock in July 2015, with everyone against him, and those that weren't against him laughing at him or not taking him seriously - to dismantling his Republican opposition one by one -- when there were establishment members of his own party against him - forming coalitions of "Never Trumpers" and doing everything in their power to beat him -- he managed to defeat them all, and then went on to keep his promise of defeating Hillary.
Rofl. Yeah, his victory blew my mind, but not for the same reason that it blew yours.



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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:30 pm

Forty Two wrote:Well, here's the thing, I am not here to defend Republicans, and they are, generally speaking, holding views I disagree with. That being said, it is a minority of Republicans, in actual fact, who would "convert the US into a theocracy." Recall, there is a libertarian wing of the Republican party which tends to want the government out of speech, religion, and other affairs involving fundamental rights. There is, of course, the religious right wing of the GOP too, which does want the government to regulate speech, expression, religion and whatnot. So, I do share your concern, just not to the same degree, I suppose.

There is plenty I hate about the Republican Platform - I am pro choice, pro gay marriage, anti-speech code, freedom of religion oriented, and against strong police powers in terms of search & seizure and all that. I am against the death penalty, and against the war on drugs, and all that. I am no supporter of Republicans.

I don't, however, have the view that Democrats or the Democratic party have some benevolence and special care and concern for the world, nor do imbue them with any sort of trust or confidence. I also oppose most of their platform in the arena of economics, and their decided leftward momentum - their vector in that direction - is not for me.

That's why I typically say here that there is nobody to vote for. That's why I opposed every Republican candidate except Trump (who I initially opposed, and actually was won over by his campaign over time. I still think he has a chance to do great things, and we shall see. I realize why people object to him, and I share the distaste for his language, his juvenile tweets and such, and his mannerisms - I would not like him in person, and I would not like working for him - I've worked for people of his style and ilk before, and I loathe them. But, one thing you can say about that style and people of his mindset and mind - they get shit done. And, before you scoff at Trump, what he did was mindblowing. Remarkable. To go from laughing stock in July 2015, with everyone against him, and those that weren't against him laughing at him or not taking him seriously - to dismantling his Republican opposition one by one -- when there were establishment members of his own party against him - forming coalitions of "Never Trumpers" and doing everything in their power to beat him -- he managed to defeat them all, and then went on to keep his promise of defeating Hillary.

If there is one thing the Trump election did for me was give me a sense of relief - that the election really isn't rigged. If it was, Trump could never get elected. You can't be hated by that many people who hold the power in a system and win if it was rigged. Even if Russia wanted Trump elected and helped him do it with propaganda and even if they did hack the DNC -- the fact that Trump got himself elected President of the United States is the single most impressive feat in modern electoral history. It says something about his capacity and capabilities.
What I want to see is the moderate Republicans coming out and condemning the extremist hard-line Republicans. :tea:
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:43 pm

Forty Two wrote: If there is one thing the Trump election did for me was give me a sense of relief - that the election really isn't rigged. If it was, Trump could never get elected.
It might not be rigged, but something's wrong when you can win after losing the popular vote by as much as he did.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:59 pm

There's nothing wrong, when you recognize that the country elects the president by virtue of a vote of the States, and not a vote of the individual people in the country. Each state has a number of votes based on a proportion of its population, plus 2. It's that plus 2 that makes a significant difference when you add up a slew of states together. Also, most states result in all the states electoral votes going to a candidate if 50.1% of the vote goes to that candidate. So, if California, New York, Texas, Illinois and Florida, all were to vote in 98% in favor of one candidate, that candidate would "win the popular vote," even if that candidate lost the vote in all 45 other states.

It's a recognition of the US being a federal republic - a federated collection of States that each function separately. So, it's not "wrong" - it's a different system.

Moreover, if the system was different - if the system was that the winner of the pure popular vote wins the Presidency, then the vote would not be expected to come out the same, because candidates would run their campaigns very differently. With an electoral system like the US has, candidates campaign to win enough states to win the election. So, when California is a "lost cause" the candidate spends even less time and resources trying to win voters in that state. If it was a pure popular vote situation, then Trump would have had to go full-bore on California and New York and try to make inroads into the popular vote there.

I.e. - if you know California is going 63% to the other guy, then you aren't going to spend buckets of money trying to convince 10% of them to switch their vote, or non-voters to register and go out and vote. You're going to go to the states where the differential is 1% to 5% - where you can swing that state. However, if it's popular vote only, then you want to chip away at California even if you only get it from 63% to 53% - that could be hundreds of thousands and even millions of votes.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:02 pm

Forty Two wrote:There's nothing wrong, when you recognize that the country elects the president by virtue of a vote of the States, and not a vote of the individual people in the country.
The recognition of that has nothing to do with whether the result is a just outcome or not.
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