Race realism is a flawed perspective

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Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Drewish » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:18 am

Most people arguing against race realism resort to shaming, denial, and dishonest misrepresentation of the facts. I would contend however, that even if we accept genetic variations between differing people that impact traits which are important for success in modern society (intelligence being the most contentious one),this does not valid a race realism outlook. I will gladly lay out my argument as such, but first I want Tyrannical or another self identifying race realist to agree to hear me out and then respond, so I'm not just spitting in the wind again.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:30 am

I love how you think you get to dictate the terms of a debate. It doesn't work like that champ. You're unlikely to get a charitable hearing here with your attitude.
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:16 am

It's an easy matter to disentangle Drew. The major problem for, and therefore with, so-called race realism is found in defining what a race actually is beyond a simple plea to "I know one when I see one".
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:45 am

He doesn't want to hear from lefties. Then he would be "spitting into the wind". He wants to argue with mental retards so he can pump up his own sense of worth.
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Svartalf » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:39 am

what's 'race realism' in the first place?
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Rum » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:49 am

It's the factual equivalent of 'fake news'. It makes an assumption in the label itself that you should take it for granted that their racism is justified because it is based on 'real' facts.

It's the racist equivalent of the banana having been created to fit the hand.

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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by JimC » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:09 am

Racism is just our reflex response to old hominid issues of "don't trust the different ones"

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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Rum » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:32 am

I think Drewish is trolling.

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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Drewish » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:06 am

Oh yes, wanting to discuss issues with people who actually disagree with me on them... must be trolling. I mean why wouldn't people just want to hear their own positions echoed back at them in a masturbatory circle jerk? Especially by people who largely seem to prefer ad hominems to substance? This doesn't describe all of you of course, but damn, color my unsurprised that this place is a shadow of its former self.
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:16 am

:roll: You went straight to ad homs when people asked you to elaborate on your bizarre child killing ideas.
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Drewish » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:21 am

Svartalf wrote:what's 'race realism' in the first place?
Generally put, it's people who say that genetic testing and standardized testing have shown real differences in the prevalence of traits between different ancestral groups. As an example, blacks have denser bones, so it shouldn't be shocking that they're over represented in American football, but are rarely competitive swimmers. Or European Jews have above average IQs, so it's not bias that results in their over representation winning Nobel prizes, it's just the result of meritocracy and differences in ability.
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Svartalf » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:01 am

except some of those traits are purely cultural, IQ depends on both the metrics used to measure it and the person tested having an inclination/favorable environment to develop the abilities measured. Jews are generally middle class or upper class and their culture puts a high emphasis on intellectual achievement, ergo, they'll have a higher IQ than lower class blacks from families where 'book larnin' ' is not valued.
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Rum » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:06 am

Personally I can accept that people with different genetic inheritances have some differing traits. It is common sense and quite a rational conclusion, given that some of us look different to others and so on. It is pretty obvious.

However the motivation for wanting to make this an issue is what bothers me. Rather than seeking areas of common interest, the things we have in common rather than the things that differentiate us (the trick Trump pulled off so well) people chasing this agenda wish to exploit it as far as I can see for racist purposes.

Objective scientific research is one thing. Exploitation of objective findings for political and/or racist purposes is quite another.

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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Drewish » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:07 am

This data works cross culturally, and adoption studies agree rather than disprove these differences. But again I don't want to get in the weeds trying to convince people that the data is what the race realists claim. It is. Their conclusions however do not follow (in my opinion). That's the discussion I'm hoping to have.
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Re: Race realism is a flawed perspective

Post by Svartalf » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:10 am

dunno, African children adopted from early life into middle or upper class first world environments tend to have just as high IQs as native whites and to succeed just as well into university level professions.
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