Should Washington and Jefferson monuments come down?

[cronus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40978515

Should Washington and Jefferson monuments come down?

This article contains language that some readers may find offensive. The BBC will publish it anyway cos they are thousands of miles away from the shit they're stirring. And a great story of US Taliban blowing up Rushmore...think of the footage?

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[JimC]

Removing some statues becomes a slippery slope to removing any historical artefact associated with people from the past who are now, in hindsight, regarded as politically unacceptable.

[cronus]

Removing some statues becomes a slippery slope to removing any historical artefact associated with people from the past who are now, in hindsight, regarded as politically unacceptable.

2+2=5 times.

[Hermit]

Should Washington and Jefferson monuments come down?

If it upsets 42, dodo, sean, siva and the rest of our right wing nuts,

YES PLEASE!

Then on to the statue of liberty. Any semblance of justice has never set foot on US soil anyway, and that little, soppy poem underneath turns out to be just a string of hollow words.

For a grand finale I hope to see the White House blown to smithereens, or to make it more likely that Trump gets turned inside out in those attacks, bomb the shit out of Mar-a-Lago and surrounding golf courses.

[Brian Peacock]

Is the Jefferson monument an icon which Nazis rally around?

[Galaxian]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40978515
Should Washington and Jefferson monuments come down?
This article contains language that some readers may find offensive. The BBC will publish it anyway cos they are thousands of miles away from the shit they're stirring. And a great story of US Taliban blowing up Rushmore...think of the footage?

Thank you for the link to an excellent article. But, as usual, it is deficient in analysis. Galaxian will illuminate the seeming contradictions in the article that so puzzled the journalist & the historian he was quoting.

A long time ago I had a debate with a fundamentalist Christian, during which I commented that religion was probably the major cause of conflict in the world. He agreed! That is a paradox. Here's another one: The 10 Commandments has seemingly altruistic injunctions, such as "Thou shalt not kill". "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife (or house)", "Thou shalt not commit adultary" etc. It all seems bizarre & hypocritical, till you realize that their dictionary & yours are not the same. They're speaking a different language.

The fundamentalist Christian saw his belief as the unerring Word of God. Other ideas were 'religions'. Thus he could agree that religions are a cause of war. The Ten Commandments are a set of instructions for the Jewish tribe. Murder is something you do to your fellow Jew, it is NOT something that you do to a cow or sheep or goy/gentile (known as "beasts on two legs"). Adultary is illicit sexual relations with a Jew. Therefore having slave concubines is not adultery. Theft can only be done from a Jew. The Chosen People are allowed to take whatever they want from a non-Jew, since animals cannot own anything. Read the Talmud & be enlightened.

Similarly, to Washington & Jefferson, the Negroes were not actually humans. Thus, the Declaration of Independence & "All men are created equal", literally referred to humans, and NOT to Negroes. Therefore there is no paradox in owning black slaves or 'servants', whipping them, forcing them to work, and writing about compassion to your fellow man. Your fellow man did not include beasts of burden.

We have an identical situation today. You can see cattle on farms, or dogs on the street. They do not have voting rights. You can bomb without conscience innumerable 'rag-heads' or 'slant-eyes' in other parts of the world. But you must weep if even ONE Yankee is injured or killed. You can obliterate their infrastructure, since they are not really works of civilization, and no one is prosecuted, no one pays compensation. But if ANYTHING happens (or even not) to Gringo assets, there's hell to pay! Assets & bank accounts will be stolen, by the US government, as payback.

Now to the topic of this thread about tearing down heritage statues in the USA. Here you go:

You see, what goes around; http://img.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitges ... 9__desktop


Comes around! https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2 ... 441&crop=1

[Brian Peacock]

Is Jefferson idolised by white hate groups?

[pErvinalia]

Should Washington and Jefferson monuments come down?

If it upsets 42, dodo, sean, siva and the rest of our right wing nuts,

YES PLEASE!

Then on to the statue of liberty. Any semblance of justice has never set foot on US soil anyway, and that little, soppy poem underneath turns out to be just a string of hollow words.

For a grand finale I hope to see the White House blown to smithereens, or to make it more likely that Trump gets turned inside out in those attacks, bomb the shit out of Mar-a-Lago and surrounding golf courses.

My Merkan history is shit, but Jorge and Tomash, are founding fathers, so their claim to fame is pretty good I reckon.

[Hermit]

Should Washington and Jefferson monuments come down?

If it upsets 42, dodo, sean, siva and the rest of our right wing nuts,

YES PLEASE!

Then on to the statue of liberty. Any semblance of justice has never set foot on US soil anyway, and that little, soppy poem underneath turns out to be just a string of hollow words.

For a grand finale I hope to see the White House blown to smithereens, or to make it more likely that Trump gets turned inside out in those attacks, bomb the shit out of Mar-a-Lago and surrounding golf courses.

My Merkan history is shit, but Jorge and Tomash, are founding fathers, so their claim to fame is pretty good I reckon.

OK, I'll bite: Who said anything about Washington's and Jefferson's fame as founding fathers?

[pErvinalia]

No one, why?

[Animavore]

Just kill all the white people. Problem sorted.

[Sean Hayden]

Should Washington and Jefferson monuments come down?

If it upsets 42, dodo, sean, siva and the rest of our right wing nuts,

YES PLEASE!

Then on to the statue of liberty. Any semblance of justice has never set foot on US soil anyway, and that little, soppy poem underneath turns out to be just a string of hollow words.

For a grand finale I hope to see the White House blown to smithereens, or to make it more likely that Trump gets turned inside out in those attacks, bomb the shit out of Mar-a-Lago and surrounding golf courses.

Fuck off, I'm not a right wing nut.

[pErvinalia]

Nazi lover.

[mistermack]

Wouldn't it be better to paint them black? Mick Jagger obviously thinks so.

The White House was built by slaves. Paint it black. Mount Rushmore? Paint it black.
Red Indians? Give them fake tan. Tooth whitening? Make it illegal.
Michael Jackson? Dig him up and paint him black.

I want to see everything in America painted black. It's important.

[Sean Hayden]

Nazi lover.

What a stupid thing to say.