"Alt-right" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

[Brian Peacock]

Yes. Sam Harris, along with being a rabid Islamophobe who wants to nuke Saudi Arabia, has been criticised for being an enabler of the alt-right when extracts of his writing were used in alt-right promotional material. Well, I think he acquitted himself of the charge - others may take a different view. But why is that important to you?

I'll look into it, thanks. I do think many (Batman) will disagree with you.

Why it is important is simple. If I accuse you of being a woman, and you aren't, you can acquit yourself of the charge in a number of vulgar and hilarious ways.

Firmly and effectively.

With the 'charges' flung from the left, I don't give them credit because no matter how someone actually behaves, there is no detraction.

It's the 'cry wolf' thing but WAY bigger. When I hear some blue-haired screeching idiot call someone a racist, I don't look to see if there is racism, I look to see what they mis-interpreted as racism.

When someone says Trump hates women, I look at the women in his personal and professional life and think that must be more cherry-picking nonsense.

So if a charge can not be falsified, it's namecalling at best.

Islamophobe is another one. I could accuse (fairly) every news agency of being Islamophobic, except for the ones who reprinted the contraversial cartoons.

Since nearly everyone IS an Islamophobe, I think we need a better word for it. 'Phobia' usually refers to an irrational fear...

It what circumstances would you feel obliged to accuse someone of being a woman?

[Cunt]

Why it is important is simple. If I accuse you of being a woman, and you aren't, you can acquit yourself of the charge in a number of vulgar and hilarious ways.

It what circumstances would you feel obliged to accuse someone of being a woman?

If I were trying to demonstrate, to you, the kind of accusation which could be falsified simply. (I assume you are a man)

If I were trying to accuse you of something which could not be falsified, I would go with accusations like racist, sexist, etc.

Do you see the difference? One accusation, you can acquit yourself with plain facts. With the others, it's a lot easier to keep moving the goalposts and never allow you to acquit yourself. (regardless of the facts of the matter)

[JimC]

Their racism is more than just a feeling that they prefer their own (white) race. They wish to purge western countries of blacks, jews, arabs and anyone else that offends their view of racial purity. Not what I would term a harmless and natural sentiment...

It's perfectly natural in/out group behaviour.

Isn't it though?

We do teach each other to overcome it, and I think we mostly succeed here in Canada, but it IS a pretty natural, consistent reaction.

It may have its roots in the darker side of our evolutionary heritage, and in that sense be "natural". You said quite rightly that normal socialisation and education mostly removes it. However, it is very telling when alt-right/neo-nazi/white supremacy groups openly embrace it and make it a proud, overt part of their political platform...

[Cunt]

It may have its roots in the darker side of our evolutionary heritage, and in that sense be "natural". You said quite rightly that normal socialisation and education mostly removes it. However, it is very telling when alt-right/neo-nazi/white supremacy groups openly embrace it and make it a proud, overt part of their political platform...

Who has made neo-nazi white supremacy an overt part of their political platform?

Is 'Black Rifle Coffee' racist for excluding immigrants (by hiring veterans)?
Is 'Starbucks' racist for hiring mainly immigrants?

Is it possible to define racism without looking at the race of the person accused?

[Brian Peacock]

I don't believe your incredulity. You know there are neo-nazi, white-supremacist groups and that the agenda of these groups is not charitable but political.

[pErvinalia]

What's wrong with asking rhetorical questions?

[JimC]

It may have its roots in the darker side of our evolutionary heritage, and in that sense be "natural". You said quite rightly that normal socialisation and education mostly removes it. However, it is very telling when alt-right/neo-nazi/white supremacy groups openly embrace it and make it a proud, overt part of their political platform...

Who has made neo-nazi white supremacy an overt part of their political platform?

How about all the groups at the infamous Charlottesville march?

[Cunt]

I don't believe your incredulity. You know there are neo-nazi, white-supremacist groups and that the agenda of these groups is not charitable but political.

Is one of the main political parties doing it?

Are you accusing the republicans or democrats?

Or some cranks who are pretty toothless politically?

It may have its roots in the darker side of our evolutionary heritage, and in that sense be "natural". You said quite rightly that normal socialisation and education mostly removes it. However, it is very telling when alt-right/neo-nazi/white supremacy groups openly embrace it and make it a proud, overt part of their political platform...

Who has made neo-nazi white supremacy an overt part of their political platform?

How about all the groups at the infamous Charlottesville march?

All of them?

Listen, if you say someone is racist, it's up to you to prove your claim. If the group agrees with you, you can bet most people won't support them.

Does tolerance for diversity include diversity of opinion?

If you were smart enough to pour piss out of a boot, you would see that reaching out 'across the aisle' is much more worthwhile than standing on your side shouting insults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVVFx3issHg

[laklak]

It what circumstances would you feel obliged to accuse someone of being a woman?

If I hear a roar, in numbers too big to ignore. Particularly if it was an embryo with a long long way to go.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Poor ol' Jordan Peterson. He made what he apparently thought was a safe comment to the effect that if the allegations against Kavanaugh were somehow to be confirmed, he should step down. OH NOES! That ain't how his homies roll, and in their thousands they let him know that he'd betrayed the cause.

'Intellectual Dark Web Frays After Jordan Peterson Tweets Critically About Brett Kavanaugh'

Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation has roiled the group of conservative academics and internet personalities that calls itself the Intellectual Dark Web, leaving bestselling professor Jordan Peterson on the verge of abandoning his Twitter account amidst a backlash.

On Friday, a day before the senate voted to confirm Kavanaugh, former Evergreen State professor and Intellectual Dark Webber Bret Weinstein tweeted that the idea of Kavanaugh as a Supreme Court Justice and the idea of Kavanaugh withdrawing his nomination were “both… completely unacceptable.”

“If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down,” Peterson chimed in on Twitter.

Peterson’s Twitter feed soon filled up with more than 10,000 responses, many of them from disillusioned fans who felt Peterson had betrayed them.

Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist who has restyled himself as a voice of internet Trumpism, said in a video that he was stunned by the idea that Peterson opposed Kavanaugh taking a seat on the court.

“I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with an opinion as much as I’ve disagreed with that one,” Adams said.

Peterson’s criticism of Kavanaugh also opened up him up for slams from pro-Trump commentators.

“Absolutely not,” frequent Fox News guest and Trump favorite Dan Bongino shot back on Twitter.

It was an unexpected moment of criticism from the right for Peterson, who first rose to prominence by criticizing liberal “social justice warriors” on college campuses. Since then, he’s become a kind of hero figure for many young conservatives, thanks to a series of popular YouTube videos and a book of life advice.

“Love me some Jordan Peterson, but nope,” tweeted Shapiro.

Peterson received perhaps his harshest criticism from Owen Benjamin, a comedian who gained a foothold in the Intellectual Dark Web with a series of comedy videos aimed at political correctness. Benjamin, who was banned from Twitter in April after attacks on Parkland survivor David Hogg, ranted about his one-time ideological ally on YouTube.

In a video, Benjamin compared Kavanaugh’s confirmation battle to the 19th-century Dreyfus Affair, and accused Peterson of selling out the Intellectual Dark Web and creating an opening for “female tyranny.”

“This is going to fuck Peterson,” Benjamin continued. “He’s not going to be able to afford as many fancy suits.”

[Cunt]

Maybe many only listen to Peterson because they agree with him.

That isn't why I listen to him.

I just found another youtuber named Gad Saad. He seems to have spoken to Peterson once before, so my guess is that you lot would reject him as 'alt-right' or something.

[pErvinalia]

Why don't you summarise his viewpoints?

[JimC]

Extreme right-wing groups proudly declaim their racism, homophobia and desire for violence - there is no need for subtle analysis by outsiders to categorise them...

[Animavore]

[Sean Hayden]