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Or you could do the absolute minimum of work and type altright.com into your browser and see that there are plenty of them that self-identify.
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Re: "Alt-right" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.
Why play ignorant and "assume 'alt-right' means anyone accused of being alt-right"? While you might think some people or groups are erroneously dragged onto that label you surely cannot be unaware of what the term 'alt-right' means, signifies, or represents, even when it's misapplied? Surely?Cunt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:29 amOK, but I'll just assume 'alt-right' means anyone accused of being alt-right.
It isn't a very meaningful definition. For example - I hereby accuse everyone of being alt-right.
Now it's even less useful.
How about a really simple question.
Is Jordan Peterson alt-right?
Why are you so reluctant to engage here? If you're challenging a definition of 'alt-right' then what is it? If you challenging the application of a definition then what is the correct definition and how is it being misapplied?
I don't know if Jordan Peterson is 'alt-right' in his views or if he personally aligns himself with those groups -- I kind of doubt that his views or political aims sufficiently coincide, he prefers to plough a lonely furrow -- but in his efforts to disavow left-leaning viewpoints of any and all kinds he has certainly become a bit of a darling of the movement. How would you characterise Jordan Peterson's political position, and what the fuck does that have to do with anything (other than trying to shift the discussion onto fresh ground, again)?
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So it is something you use as an accusation, not as a useful label.
JimC, you are obviously alt-right.
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Or is it just a convenient 'them' which is less useful to you if examined?
One example he offers is how terrible the left are at being critical of extremists. We see plenty of 'too far' on the right, and identify it fairly easily. Not so easy on the left.
I have heard him accused of being alt right, so I went and listened. He doesn't identify that way.
If you accuse someone else, I might like their stuff too. They also might be alt right, or they might, like Peterson, be victim of a label they wouldn't choose for themselves.
I've enjoyed the HELL out of several vloggers who have been accused of being altright. So far, I haven't encountered any who identify that way, publicly. Lots of accusers, though. It's almost like it's a way of saying someone is bad, while being vague enough to not be held to account for a false accusation.
JimC, you are obviously alt-right.
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Surely you can answer simply, whether you can name alt-right people? Allow them to answer your charge?Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:22 amWhy play ignorant and "assume 'alt-right' means anyone accused of being alt-right"? While you might think some people or groups are erroneously dragged onto that label you surely cannot be unaware of what the term 'alt-right' means, signifies, or represents, even when it's misapplied? Surely?Cunt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:29 amOK, but I'll just assume 'alt-right' means anyone accused of being alt-right.
It isn't a very meaningful definition. For example - I hereby accuse everyone of being alt-right.
Now it's even less useful.
How about a really simple question.
Is Jordan Peterson alt-right?
Or is it just a convenient 'them' which is less useful to you if examined?
If you would gird up your courage and answer, I could say. If you refuse to be specific, then fine, the alt right are ignorant. But remember, I accuse you along with anyone else you accuse of being alt right.
Why are you so reluctant to engage here? If you're challenging a definition of 'alt-right' then what is it? If you challenging the application of a definition then what is the correct definition and how is it being misapplied?
I don't know his political leanings, but he has made me think differently about the lefties I love (and love to mock)
I don't know if Jordan Peterson is 'alt-right' in his views or if he personally aligns himself with those groups -- I kind of doubt that his views or political aims sufficiently coincide, he prefers to plough a lonely furrow -- but in his efforts to disavow left-leaning viewpoints of any and all kinds he has certainly become a bit of a darling of the movement. How would you characterise Jordan Peterson's political position, and what the fuck does that have to do with anything (other than trying to shift the discussion onto fresh ground, again)?
One example he offers is how terrible the left are at being critical of extremists. We see plenty of 'too far' on the right, and identify it fairly easily. Not so easy on the left.
I have heard him accused of being alt right, so I went and listened. He doesn't identify that way.
If you accuse someone else, I might like their stuff too. They also might be alt right, or they might, like Peterson, be victim of a label they wouldn't choose for themselves.
I've enjoyed the HELL out of several vloggers who have been accused of being altright. So far, I haven't encountered any who identify that way, publicly. Lots of accusers, though. It's almost like it's a way of saying someone is bad, while being vague enough to not be held to account for a false accusation.
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Re: "Alt-right" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.
Oo look, you're ignoring the question and changing the game again. How novel.Cunt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:40 pmSurely you can answer simply, whether you can name alt-right people? Allow them to answer your charge?Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:22 amWhy play ignorant and "assume 'alt-right' means anyone accused of being alt-right"? While you might think some people or groups are erroneously dragged onto that label you surely cannot be unaware of what the term 'alt-right' means, signifies, or represents, even when it's misapplied? Surely?Cunt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:29 amOK, but I'll just assume 'alt-right' means anyone accused of being alt-right.
It isn't a very meaningful definition. For example - I hereby accuse everyone of being alt-right.
Now it's even less useful.
How about a really simple question.
Is Jordan Peterson alt-right?
I answered the question in the post I quoted. You can accuse me of anything you like darling, but it won't change the fact that you'll render the term meaningless by accusing me of being alt-right - whcih I kind of guess is the point eh?Or is it just a convenient 'them' which is less useful to you if examined?If you would gird up your courage and answer, I could say. If you refuse to be specific, then fine, the alt right are ignorant. But remember, I accuse you along with anyone else you accuse of being alt right.
Why are you so reluctant to engage here? If you're challenging a definition of 'alt-right' then what is it? If you challenging the application of a definition then what is the correct definition and how is it being misapplied?
OK, so if the left won't criticise extremists, and that's somewhat of a bigly vague IF there, and btw neither will the President of the USA, that hardly has a bearing on the discussion - unless you're looking to start fresh one, again? Why is Jordan Peterson 'a victim' of the label which many of his acolytes willing place themselves and him under? That seems to suggest that you know what the alt-right is, well at least enough to know that JP isn't one of them, which in turn also suggests you know a bit more about his politics than you're letting on.I don't know his political leanings, but he has made me think differently about the lefties I love (and love to mock)
I don't know if Jordan Peterson is 'alt-right' in his views or if he personally aligns himself with those groups -- I kind of doubt that his views or political aims sufficiently coincide, he prefers to plough a lonely furrow -- but in his efforts to disavow left-leaning viewpoints of any and all kinds he has certainly become a bit of a darling of the movement. How would you characterise Jordan Peterson's political position, and what the fuck does that have to do with anything (other than trying to shift the discussion onto fresh ground, again)?
One example he offers is how terrible the left are at being critical of extremists. We see plenty of 'too far' on the right, and identify it fairly easily. Not so easy on the left.
I have heard him accused of being alt right, so I went and listened. He doesn't identify that way.
If you accuse someone else, I might like their stuff too. They also might be alt right, or they might, like Peterson, be victim of a label they wouldn't choose for themselves.
I've enjoyed the HELL out of several vloggers who have been accused of being altright. So far, I haven't encountered any who identify that way, publicly. Lots of accusers, though. It's almost like it's a way of saying someone is bad, while being vague enough to not be held to account for a false accusation.
What you really want here is for someone to give you a definition of 'alt-right' so that you can disagree with it, don't you? Perhaps you think that if you can invalidate anyone's description of the alt-right then you can more easily turn to criticising its critics and be the champion of a truth which, ironically, you won't even acknowledge in response to a straight quesiton. Have you got a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' kind of thing going on here?
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I was just pointing out one of the interesting things he said. I think it's true.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:36 pmOK, so if the left won't criticise extremists, and that's somewhat of a bigly vague IF there, and btw neither will the President of the USA, that hardly has a bearing on the discussion - unless you're looking to start fresh one, again?
When does the left go too far? It is an important question, so why is it so hard to criticism them publicly.
I think the wage gap is one example of them going too far. It is clearly misrepresenting the actual case, and most everyone I know understands that.
So why is it so contraversial to say that there is a lot more nuance than the claim accounts for?
He says he is not alt-right. Is that not good enough to stop with the labelling? Or would you like to continue to insist he is not what he claims to be?Why is Jordan Peterson 'a victim' of the label which many of his acolytes willing place themselves and him under?
I know a bit about his thoughts because I have listened to him, not just to his detractors. He accounts himself well in public speaking. He recently did a debate (wasn't really a debate) along with Stephen Fry, defending the position that political correctness was not good. (approximately)
That seems to suggest that you know what the alt-right is, well at least enough to know that JP isn't one of them, which in turn also suggests you know a bit more about his politics than you're letting on.
Their opponents were shit. The conversation stayed firmly away from political correctness.
I point out again and again that, like 'racist' or 'islamophobe' or such, these labels do little to convey information.
What you really want here is for someone to give you a definition of 'alt-right' so that you can disagree with it, don't you?
Except as indication that the accuser is using ad-hom attacks. It does show that pretty clearly. Especially when you try to hold someone down to a clear definition.
No, I think Jordan Peterson is very different from me (he is a religious sort) and you. I think also that he is smart, right about a lot of shit, and NOT the kind of monster most paint him as.
Perhaps you think that if you can invalidate anyone's description of the alt-right then you can more easily turn to criticising its critics and be the champion of a truth which, ironically, you won't even acknowledge in response to a straight quesiton. Have you got a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' kind of thing going on here?
Same for Milo Yiannopolous. He may indeed be a beast, but most of the accusations against him are easily dismissed as bullshit.
If you can label anyone altright or racist or islamophobe, how would they exonerate themselves, in your eyes? Is there an act someone can make which would make you reconsider that kind of accusation? Or is it nice and vague so you never have to risk being wrong?
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Peterson operates a level of reification which renders most of what he says immune to rational consideration. Now, if we can turn back to the alt-right, do you think there's good folks on both sides?
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Since no-one wants to provide an example to look at, I can't say anything.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:32 pmPeterson operates a level of reification which renders most of what he say immune to rational consideration. Now, if we can turn back to the alt-right, do you think there's good folks on both sides?
Do you think you could use a real example, such as a youtuber you claim is alt-right, and who has a clear position on some issue?
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Why can't it be both?
No he's not. Nice quotemine.JimC, you are obviously alt-right.
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I know how to value your contributions. If you get too uppity, someone will ask you direct questions, and you will flee withpErvinalia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:42 pmWhy can't it be both?
No he's not. Nice quotemine.JimC, you are obviously alt-right.
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Well, it seems your raising the spectre of Jordan Peterson as a member of the alt-right was a red herring after all, so how about Richard Spencer instead?Cunt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:46 pmSince no-one wants to provide an example to look at, I can't say anything.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:32 pmPeterson operates a level of reification which renders most of what he say immune to rational consideration. Now, if we can turn back to the alt-right, do you think there's good folks on both sides?
Do you think you could use a real example, such as a youtuber you claim is alt-right, and who has a clear position on some issue?
You can look him up on Wikipedia
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A lot of murderers don't admit to being murderers. A lot of racists don't admit to being racists. Your point is invalid.Cunt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:35 pmHe says he is not alt-right. Is that not good enough to stop with the labelling? Or would you like to continue to insist he is not what he claims to be?Why is Jordan Peterson 'a victim' of the label which many of his acolytes willing place themselves and him under?
That some people get mislabeled isn't an argument against labelling. It's just an argument for more critical analysis.If you can label anyone altright or racist or islamophobe, how would they exonerate themselves, in your eyes? Is there an act someone can make which would make you reconsider that kind of accusation? Or is it nice and vague so you never have to risk being wrong?
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Bullshit. I gave you a link - altright.comCunt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:46 pmSince no-one wants to provide an example to look at, I can't say anything.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:32 pmPeterson operates a level of reification which renders most of what he say immune to rational consideration. Now, if we can turn back to the alt-right, do you think there's good folks on both sides?
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