Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:32 am

Not so easy when your political representatives are on secondment from the financial sector, on retainers from business, and/or massive landlords.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:17 am

Not so easy when the voting populace continually vote against their and society's best interest. Not so easy to go against that when the media continually exaggerate and provide biased coverage of issues.

Failure of media is really at the root of a lot of our problems. What that means now in the current social media environment is anyone's guess.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:50 am

Troof bruv.
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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by rainbow » Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:43 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:32 am
Not so easy when your political representatives are on secondment from the financial sector, on retainers from business, and/or massive landlords.
Corporations can buy politicians.

While that remains true, there is no Democracy
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:05 am

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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Svartalf » Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:56 am

rainbow wrote:
Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:43 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:32 am
Not so easy when your political representatives are on secondment from the financial sector, on retainers from business, and/or massive landlords.
Corporations can buy politicians.

While that remains true, there is no Democracy
They can? Actually, I thought that the 'no true corporation' argument was aimed at those that could not prove they had done so.
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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Svartalf » Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:59 am

@pErvo, how much do you bet he did this only after securing a post in the various foundations and whatnot governing bodies, and likely quite cushy salaries and access to their resources?
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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:49 am

He's a capitalist. He wouldn't do that. He's concerned with solutions to poverty. Like all capitalists.
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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Svartalf » Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:01 am

I can warrant that what I told would pretty much solve the problem of his poverty, and likely throw a huge finger up the nostrils of the IRS
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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:17 am

The Gates did something similar with their foundation, which makes them even more personal wealth. How are those tech solutions to climate change coming along Bill, and the eradication of malaria? Any day now?
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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:30 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:17 am
The Gates did something similar with their foundation, which makes them even more personal wealth. How are those tech solutions to climate change coming along Bill, and the eradication of malaria? Any day now?
That second item is looking more possible, though Gates appears to have nothing to do with the development described below.

'New malaria vaccine is world-changing, say scientists'
A malaria vaccine with "world-changing" potential has been developed by scientists at the University of Oxford.

The team expect it to be rolled out next year after trials showed up to 80% protection against the deadly disease.

Crucially, say the scientists, their vaccine is cheap and they already have a deal to manufacture more than 100 million doses a year.

The charity Malaria No More said recent progress meant children dying from malaria could end "in our lifetimes".

It has taken more than a century to develop effective vaccines as the malaria parasite, which is spread by mosquitoes, is spectacularly complex and elusive. It is a constantly moving target, shifting forms inside the body, which make it hard to immunise against.

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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by macdoc » Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:50 pm

I see you didn't try very hard... :roll:
The human vaccine programmes are supported by grant income from a wide range of funding agencies. In recent years these have included the Wellcome Trust, the Medical Research Council UK, the European Commission, the Gates Foundation, the US NIH, the Foundation for the NIH, International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, the UK Department of Health, the Malaria Vaccine Initiative at PATH, the Gates Malaria Programme at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, the European Malaria Vaccine Initiative and the Lister Institute.

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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:49 pm

:console: True, I didn't try very hard. I had come across the vaccine news a week ago and mention in this thread prompted me to post about it. I did a cursory search of the Gates Foundation malaria page (saw nothing about the Jenner Institute or the new vaccine) and left it at that.

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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by rainbow » Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:39 pm

We had a fun argument with some Marxist academics about 'valorisation' of legacy pollution from mines.
As private sector researchers, we look at improving the quality of life of the local communities, not making profits from the enterprise.

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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:21 pm

Told ya. Marxism's economic perspective and assumptions are fundamentally classical. Putting a different hat on the goat doesn't change the fact that it's still a goat... in a hat.
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