UK Concentration camps for Mussies?

[cronus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40084280

Internment: Could it help fight terrorism?

In the wake of the Manchester suicide bomb attack a former assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police has called for the reintroduction of internment camps.
With security services revealing there are 3,000 people engaged in plots in the UK and as many as 23,000 who have appeared on the radar of counter-terror agencies, Tarique Ghaffur - in charge during the 7/7 bombings - wrote in the Mail on Sunday that "a proper national debate" should take place.
But what would such a policy entail?

What is internment?

Internment is when people are imprisoned without trial.
It is often associated with wartime situations, or when foreign nationals or people with strong political stances are detained.

When has it been used in the past?

(continued, solve the housing crisis also...)

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, coz imprisonment without trial worked real well with the IRA didn't it?

[cronus]

Yeah, coz imprisonment without trial worked real well with the IRA didn't it?

We could ship them to America where they have the resources to make em squeal...

[NineBerry]

Just put them on Big Brother. Let the public vote on who may leave each week.

[Brian Peacock]

MI5 say there's 20,000 persons of interest and 2000 persons of special interest on their books. Where we going to keep them all? Butlins? Surely that would be a cruel and unusual punishment?

[cronus]

MI5 say there's 20,000 persons of interest and 2000 persons of special interest on their books. Where we going to keep them all? Butlins? Surely that would be a cruel and unusual punishment?

Cameron mothballed a load of barracks when he cut the army. The only real expense will be the guards...and Alsatians.

[Brian Peacock]

We've missed the boat on that one. Probably will have to be Butlins after all.

[JimC]

Prioritising the top 100 and arresting them based on a clear risk to life and limb might be reasonable, if the intelligence on their activities is compelling enough...

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, but it's still internment without trial. If there's evidence arrest the buggers, or failing that we have a mechanism for house arrest and electronic tagging.

[pErvinalia]

I think conservatives should be interred. They are a threat to the safety of us all.

[JimC]

Yeah, but it's still internment without trial. If there's evidence arrest the buggers, or failing that we have a mechanism for house arrest and electronic tagging.

Is the house arrest still without trial?

And a real problem would be if authorities had compelling evidence that X is part of a real terrorist threat, but for whatever reason (often technical), it would not stand up in court. Lose innocent lives, or remain paralysed by legal niceties?

[laklak]

Shoot them. Quietly, of course, and late at night when nobody's about. Blame Trump.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, but it's still internment without trial. If there's evidence arrest the buggers, or failing that we have a mechanism for house arrest and electronic tagging.

Is the house arrest still without trial?

It follows a legal process and court proceedings - usually closed.

And a real problem would be if authorities had compelling evidence that X is part of a real terrorist threat, but for whatever reason (often technical), it would not stand up in court. Lose innocent lives, or remain paralysed by legal niceties?

The issue is a knotty one for sure, but at risk of invoking the slippery slope argument, even if we use internment to ring fence the hard-core idiots as soon as some idiot from outside the ring does something reprehensible the lazy politician with an eye on their majority will have a ready excuse to expand the ring. The legal and social pitfalls are not worth the hassle of making it easier for election-focused politicians to appear tough and uncompromising while doing very little but telling the police to "Round 'em up boys". The lessons of our own recent history should teach us that we need proper, robust frameworks for dealing with those intent on causing harm in the name of their pet cause rather than casting a wide net and hoping we catch all the right fish.

[cronus]

Frameworks are fallible charters, as fallible as real life and mass murder can potentially be recall? charters for lawyers leaching monies the government has not got. In a time of austerity in which a sovereign state is not directly bound by dubious frameworks, the frameworks of sometimes misguided and sometimes malicious souls...etc, etc, etc. The matter requires and would work fine with robust hearsay evidence from state appointed Imams....if they have a suspicious bad one in their midst, a small bursary to the state appointed Imam for saving lives...

[JimC]

Frameworks are fallible charters, as fallible as real life and mass murder can potentially be recall? charters for lawyers leaching monies the government has not got. In a time of austerity in which a sovereign state is not directly bound by dubious frameworks, the frameworks of sometimes misguided and sometimes malicious souls...etc, etc, etc. The matter requires and would work fine with robust hearsay evidence from state appointed Imams....if they have a suspicious bad one in their midst, a small bursary to the state appointed Imam for saving lives...

Something to give Collector and Seth apoplexy for multiple reasons...