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Post by Tero » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:49 am

Like a car salesman, Price gives a sales pitch for dead bill:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07 ... acare.html

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:40 pm

They are going to kick into the long grass.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:12 pm

Yep, and then have at it with pool cues and bike chains at their leisure.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Tero » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:09 am

Trump breaking law meddling with Obamacare, which is still law of the land
Setting aside the sheer immorality of blowing up Obamacare because he can, Trump may be setting the stage for the American public to learn, under his presidency, what the Take Care Clause requires of him.

What Trump is doing, or refusing to do, is an entirely different animal. Obamacare remains the law of the land, and the Republicans’ failure to repeal it has only solidified its validity not just as a matter of public policy, but in the eyes of millions who depend on it for access to health insurance. For the Trump administration to want so flagrantly to see the law fail — whether by pulling already paid-for enrollment ads, willfully weakening the individual mandate, and taking other steps to hamstring its effectiveness — is the antithesis of faithful execution of the laws. Or as The Atlantic’s Garrett Epps, a constitutional scholar himself, quipped: “He has a constitutional duty to Take Care that the Laws be ruthlessly sabotaged.”
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Post by Hermit » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:55 am

Yabbut, The Democrats (insert tu quoque here).
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:57 am

Exactly. Imagine how much the Dems would be trashing laws if they were in. Therefore nothing Trump does is bad.
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Post by Hermit » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:54 am

pErvin wrote:Exactly. Imagine how much the Dems would be trashing laws if they were in. Therefore nothing Trump does is bad.
Nononononono. You got it all wrong. The likely response will be along the lines of: "Yabbut, just look at how Obama has trashed immigration and drug laws by failing to enforce them!"
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Post by Tero » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:41 am

Complete failure at negotiating:

A fourth mistake the president made was to overestimate his ability to force agreement through power and threats. At a lunch Wednesday with 49 GOP Senators at the White House, Trump warned that Dean Heller (R – Nev.) and other Senators who oppose him might lose their reelection bids next year.
But with the president's approval ratings at historic lows such threats have become empty. That sheds light on Marco Rubio's (R – Fla.) comment earlier this week that "… There were plenty of members here who understood the president's preference and were willing to vote against it anyway."

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Post by Tero » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:22 pm

Most republicans are probably glad they do not have to vote on a bill nobody likes. But what will they do past 2018, if they keep a Senate majority?
McConnell is surely hoping that one of the two Congressional Budget Office estimates of the likely impact of the bill (in terms of how many people are covered and at what cost) scheduled for next week (one with the Cruz amendment and one without) won't be quite as bad as the last go around, which produced devastating results. But if the Cruz amendment survives and the individual mandate is gone, the legislation would surely produce higher premiums for the most vulnerable Americans: the elderly and those who are sicker. For many of them, quality health care would once again be out of reach.
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Post by Tero » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:53 pm

Senate bill has components that bring it to 60 vote...not 50...minimum to pass:

WASHINGTON — The Senate Republican bill to dismantle the Affordable Care Act encountered huge new problems on Friday night after the Senate parliamentarian challenged key provisions that are needed to win conservative votes and to make the health bill workable.

The provisions appear to violate Senate rules, the parliamentarian said, giving Democrats grounds to challenge them as the Senate prepares for a battle next week over the future of the Affordable Care Act.

One provision questioned by the parliamentarian, Elizabeth MacDonough, and cherished by conservatives would cut off federal funds for Planned Parenthood for one year. Another would prohibit use of federal subsidies to buy insurance that includes coverage for abortions.

A third provision would penalize people who go without health insurance by requiring them to wait six months before their coverage could begin. Insurers would generally be required to impose the waiting period on people who lacked coverage for more than about two months in the prior year.

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Post by Tero » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:37 pm

But McConnell will hold vote anyway. Interesting to see what the bill is. Some versions kept the Obama tax that funded ACA
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/2 ... egy-240831

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Post by Tero » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:59 am

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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Galaxian » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:00 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Hermit wrote:Stop it please.The situation is as if Galaxian came along claiming he lives on Mars, someone saying there is no evidence he lives on Mars, and then a bunch of people asking the objector what evidence he has that Galaxian does not live on Mars.
I think the basic idea of the analogy is good. However, you've missed a turning (denoted in red below).

1. Galaxian claims he lives on Mars.

2. Another member claims that Galaxian is lying about living on Mars.

3. Yet another member requests evidence in support of the claim that Galaxian is lying.

Galaxian's claim is an affirmative statement for which it is reasonable to request evidence. The claim made by member 2 is also an affirmative statement for which it is reasonable to request evidence. There is a clear difference between the claim above and a claim that there is no evidence that Galaxian lives on Mars. If member 2 is asserting a lie on Galaxian's part, then he must have evidence of the lie, otherwise his claim is baseless and deserves to be challenged....
Sorry to get to this thread so late. I've been away, and only just got back from a visit to Mars.
Now, it is scurrilous nonsense to accuse Galaxian of claiming living on Mars. I only visit Mars from time to time.

In general I visit the more interesting parts of the Solar System. Haven't gone further afield, though I have met beings on Earth, Moon, & Mars, from the nether regions.

But Galaxian does live on Earth & only ventures away for research & recreation. Never claimed to be based elsewhere Image
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