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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by JimC » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:03 pm

When I had my recent op, (day surgery at a private hospital with a general anaesthetic), I was out of pocket by about $900, which wasn't too bad...
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:01 pm

Why did you have to pay? You have UHC or not?
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:46 pm

We have UHC and a private system. Jim went private. I paid zero for my kidney stone hospitalisations and operation.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:11 pm

pErvinalia wrote:We have UHC and a private system. Jim went private. I paid zero for my kidney stone hospitalisations and operation.
Why go private? We have only one system. No private. That is why were are a socialist country.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:18 pm

Not much reason to go private other than the extra side benefits you get and being able to get elective surgery without waiting in a queue. I think it's a waste of money.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:27 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Not much reason to go private other than the extra side benefits you get and being able to get elective surgery without waiting in a queue. I think it's a waste of money.
What is a queue? How long would have had to wait for?
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:29 pm

Well you'll probably wait a long time for a boob job in the public system. You could have it tomorrow in the private system.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:31 pm

Serious work. Boob jobs are often just cosmetic.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:33 pm

Any life saving work gets done immediately in the public system. As will anything that is causing you serious pain or impairment. Getting an arthroscopy to clean up a slightly annoying cartilage tear will wait a little longer.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:38 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Any life saving work gets done immediately in the public system. As will anything that is causing you serious pain or impairment. Getting an arthroscopy to clean up a slightly annoying cartilage tear will wait a little longer.
Nice to know but the public system does not treat all the same. Emergency work is something else but regular run of the mill stuff is all treated equally. I got a replacement knee within three weeks which is about normal.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:40 pm

That's a serious impairment. It's not possible to treat every little minor procedure as equally important as life altering surgery. It's nonsensical.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:48 pm

pErvinalia wrote:That's a serious impairment. It's not possible to treat every little minor procedure as equally important as life altering surgery. It's nonsensical.
Why not? Every department is different. My knee is no important than a wart on somebody's face. Only in emergency is a difference made depending on staffing levels. The traffic light system is used.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:55 pm

That's fucking backwards. Emergencies require emergency (i.e. immediate) treatment. And then giving someone with a wart on their nose the same level of priority as a person with a useless knee? I hope your description of your health and welfare systems isn't accurate, as they certainly don't live up to world's best practice as we've come to expect of the mighty Netherlands. I think you live in a bubble, Scot.
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Post by Tero » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:59 pm

Though they won't admit it, Finns take care of working age people faster if they are off sick. Less benefits to pay as they are waiting to go back to go to work. Cataracts, granny? No problem, go listen to the radio while you wait.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:59 pm

Our system gives the same priority because it can. I was not treated by the same doctor that did the wart. If you dont need priorities why make them.
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