The US Healthcare Mass Debate
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We stopped selling the animal derived insulin. It is 1/10th the price in Canada that did not ban it. Human insulin is not "better." It is the same more or less. We mammals are not that different in this case.
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Efforts to repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_t ... e_Care_Act
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitut ... e_Care_Act
In February 2018, 20 states, led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, filed a lawsuit against the federal government alleging the ACA is now unconstitutional because the individual mandate tax which NFIB v. Sebelius rested on was repealed by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.[53] In December 2018, he declared the entire law to be unconstitutional.[54]
In March 2018, Judge Reed O’Connor of the Northern District of Texas ruled against the imposition of a federal tax on states as a condition of continuing to receive Medicaid funds, ruling that while the tax was lawful, the regulation implementing it violated the nondelegation doctrine and the Administrative Procedure Act.[55][56]
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the cases are not over
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_t ... e_Care_Act
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitut ... e_Care_Act
In February 2018, 20 states, led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, filed a lawsuit against the federal government alleging the ACA is now unconstitutional because the individual mandate tax which NFIB v. Sebelius rested on was repealed by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.[53] In December 2018, he declared the entire law to be unconstitutional.[54]
In March 2018, Judge Reed O’Connor of the Northern District of Texas ruled against the imposition of a federal tax on states as a condition of continuing to receive Medicaid funds, ruling that while the tax was lawful, the regulation implementing it violated the nondelegation doctrine and the Administrative Procedure Act.[55][56]
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the cases are not over
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"If the lower court ruling is ultimately upheld, the case, Texas v. United States, has the potential to shake the nation's entire health care system to its core. First, such a decision would immediately affect the estimated 20 million people who get their health coverage through programs created under the law. But ending the ACA would also create chaos in other parts of the health care system that were directly or indirectly changed under the law's multitude of provisions.."
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Vox:
Legal experts on both sides of the aisle have argued that O’Connor’s reasoning was faulty and likely to be overturned by the Fifth Circuit. The appeals court will begin weighing the evidence on Tuesday: If the bench of three justices decides to reject O’Connor’s decision later this year, it could discourage the Supreme Court from taking up the lawsuit, leaving in place the bulk of President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement.
Legal experts on both sides of the aisle have argued that O’Connor’s reasoning was faulty and likely to be overturned by the Fifth Circuit. The appeals court will begin weighing the evidence on Tuesday: If the bench of three justices decides to reject O’Connor’s decision later this year, it could discourage the Supreme Court from taking up the lawsuit, leaving in place the bulk of President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement.
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Trumpcare: complete freedom for insurance companies
https://www.salon.com/2019/07/09/trumps ... mous-lies/The ACA eliminated annual and lifetime limits on coverage so you will always be covered regardless of your health status. Before the ACA, insurers would routinely force patients to pay out of pocket for medical care beyond these limits. Shockingly, some insurers would simply revoke insurance coverage when a patient became severely ill or injured — a dastardly corporate policy known as rescission. That ended with the passage of the ACA. Repealing the ACA, therefore, per Trump and O’Connor, would allow insurers to cancel policies for people in the midst of treatment for cancer or other serious illnesses. After those patients lose their coverage, they won’t be able to buy new policies — without the ACA, insurers could return to denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
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Obamacare unlikely to survive to the end of Trump term
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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McConnell will resist any 2020 fix.
And 2020. Trump is too eager to erase Obama. He will do it even if it means losing the election.
And 2020. Trump is too eager to erase Obama. He will do it even if it means losing the election.
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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Looks like Obamacare will see lots of action in 2020:
If the appeals court reverses the judge's decision and finds the ACA is constitutional, the red states and the Trump administration could appeal the decision to the Supreme Court, which again could determine the law's fate. In previous major cases, the court narrowly saved the individual mandate in 2012, and in 2015 it upheld the law’s premium subsidies in a 6-3 decision.
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019 ... gn-1572907
If the appeals court reverses the judge's decision and finds the ACA is constitutional, the red states and the Trump administration could appeal the decision to the Supreme Court, which again could determine the law's fate. In previous major cases, the court narrowly saved the individual mandate in 2012, and in 2015 it upheld the law’s premium subsidies in a 6-3 decision.
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019 ... gn-1572907
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
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Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
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Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
Turn stone to bread right away...
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Good. Get rid of all of it. Get rid of the HMO act too. Replace it all with Medicare for All.Tero wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 pmObamacare unlikely to survive to the end of Trump term
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/obamac ... itutional/
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Medicare for all won't happen in 2020. But having the courts strike down Obamacare would force Republicans to act, during an election year.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... or-the-gopA lot of conservatives would hate that compromise deal (see link) , even if Republicans added that they were accepting this modified version of Obamacare only temporarily, and would legislate against it again the next time they have both houses of Congress. It’s a deal that assumes that the politics of health care after the lawsuit would favor the Democrats. It would have to pass with some Republican and some Democratic votes. Rounding up the Republicans would almost certainly require Trump to go all-in for it, selling it as a big victory for his administration’s health-care policies and demanding his congressional allies support it.
There’s no sign the White House is ready to do any of this. Which is why the best political outcome for Republicans is probably for the lawsuit to fail, at which point they can complain about the judges who had just delivered them from a nightmare.
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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How much does the US taxpayer spend on health pa? Roughly?
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It would be hard to figure out, though there are some complicated calculations. Typical claim is 500 for insurance.
https://www.healthmarkets.com/content/h ... cost-month
But suppose you hit 6000 deductible, and make some payment deal with providers. You could be paying 1000 a month for the "deal" plus the continued insurance.
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But suppose you hit 6000 deductible, and make some payment deal with providers. You could be paying 1000 a month for the "deal" plus the continued insurance.
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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I was thinking more like how much the system costs the taxpayer in absolute terms or as a proportion of BDP. I've seen figures from $10k per capita or 19% of GDP, but there's so many sets of figures out there... still, the US taxpayer pays far more for healthcare than other developed countries for worse access and poorer outcomes - and a case can be made to reform the system on the basis of cost alone. So why does nobody seem keen to make that case?
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Bernie certainly does. I don't know why more don't...Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:10 pmI was thinking more like how much the system costs the taxpayer in absolute terms or as a proportion of BDP. I've seen figures from $10k per capita or 19% of GDP, but there's so many sets of figures out there... still, the US taxpayer pays far more for healthcare than other developed countries for worse access and poorer outcomes - and a case can be made to reform the system on the basis of cost alone. So why does nobody seem keen to make that case?
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