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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Tero » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:53 pm

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For everyone. At the rate Obamacare has been jacking up my premiums, I won't be able to afford it anymore soon. I've got too kids, and I can't be spending $2000 a month on insurance premiums, no matter how "rich" some assholes say I am.
You were not there when the insurance dropped my mom in the 90s after she had cancer.
Expensive insurance with high deductable is still better than not qualifying for insurance.

The rates going up relates to thecsmall pool left in the market.
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Post by Seabass » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:37 am

Obamacare failed because the Republicans set out to sabotage it from day one.

How the G.O.P. Sabotaged Obamacare
How States Have Sabotaged Obamacare

The only way to solve this country's healthcare problems is to create a lethal virus that selectively targets Republicans.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:26 am

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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Seabass » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:33 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:26 am
:lol: :clap:
Here's what's really nuts. He says Obamacare caused his premiums to triple. He lives in a Republican controlled state. I, on the other hand, live in a Democrat controlled state. My premiums have gone up by maybe 20-30% since Obamacare, and it's hard to say how much of that is actually because of Obamacare since premiums would increase from time to time before Obamacare, on account of inflation or whatever. And who does he blame? Democrats of course.


10 ways the GOP sabotaged Obamacare

The states with the biggest Obamacare struggles spent years undermining the law
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:47 am

I've previously presented actual evidence of what the overall trends were, i.e. not just what he and his friends experienced, and for the the vast majority of lower and middle class, health care got both cheaper and less exclusionary. I'm pretty sure he ignored that, like he ignores lots of inconvenient facts if you don't hound him into answering.
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Post by Seabass » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:52 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:26 am
:lol: :clap:
Here's what else is really nuts. Obamacare is basically a Republican healthcare system.

Mitt Romney Finally Takes Credit For Obamacare

Mitt Romney Admits Obamacare Was Based on Romneycare—and That It Worked

But as soon as the black president decides to do Romneycare countrywide, suddenly it's worse Nazism and Communism combined!
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Post by Seabass » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:53 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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I'm pretty sure he ignored that, like he ignores lots of inconvenient facts if you don't hound him into answering.
To be fair, you have to do that if you want to remain a Republican.
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Post by JimC » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:02 am

Forty Two wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:26 pm
For everyone. At the rate Obamacare has been jacking up my premiums, I won't be able to afford it anymore soon. I've got too kids, and I can't be spending $2000 a month on insurance premiums, no matter how "rich" some assholes say I am.
That does seem a lot - what do our other US members tend to pay?

Our private health cover runs at around $250 a month, plus all public hospital services are free anyway. Our medicare system also subsidises doctors visits, which are totally free to those with a Health Card...
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Post by Joe » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:45 am

My company pays most of the premium, but it's $2909 a month. It's a major benefit, because it's really good insurance.

I've got four more years until I'm eligible for Medicare. I hope I make it.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:58 am

Forty Two wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:26 pm
For everyone. At the rate Obamacare has been jacking up my premiums, I won't be able to afford it anymore soon. I've got too kids, and I can't be spending $2000 a month on insurance premiums, no matter how "rich" some assholes say I am.
No have a proper UHC and pay €100 a month.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:19 am

If you earn the median wage in Australia you'd pay about $900 a year for UHC here. So about AU$75 a month. Incredible the state of affairs the US citizens put up with.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:09 am

Well you could say that is what they wanted.
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Post by Joe » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:09 am

You could say that, but you'd be giving us too much credit.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:14 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:58 am
Forty Two wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:26 pm
For everyone. At the rate Obamacare has been jacking up my premiums, I won't be able to afford it anymore soon. I've got too kids, and I can't be spending $2000 a month on insurance premiums, no matter how "rich" some assholes say I am.
No have a proper UHC and pay €100 a month.
That would be great. To do that, however, the US would defintely have to change a lot of other things regarding what it spends its money on, or it would have to signficantly raise taxes (which is tough since we're already running deficits, relying on GDP growth to carry the debt). Much of the Dutch system is funded through taxation, in addition to those 100 euro fees, but The Netherlands doesn't pay what the US pays for, say, military expenditures.

None of that changes the fact that Obamacare sucks ass, is ruinous, and is a giant waste of money, and always was.
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Post by Joe » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:35 am

Yeah, because EMTALA was working just fine.
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