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Post by Tero » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:32 pm

Socialist PBS to end on federal level:
Trump budget would end federal funding for arts endowment, PBS
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:51 pm

let's hope congress will amend frump budget and let culture ride... I have bad feelings about this, though...fed endowments for arts and media are not a GOP thing, they much prefer to let private patronage or the "invisible hand" deal with such matters.
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Re: We Need To Talk About Donald

Post by Tero » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:47 pm

He's not going to grab Angela's pussy. He didn't even shake her hand.

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Post by Seth » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:54 pm

tattuchu wrote:Trump reveals classified information during TV interview:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/ ... -interview

Our Clownshoes Clusterfuck fake news organization presidency :fp:
Trump didn't reveal anything, he merely cited public knowledge released by Wikileaks, which WAS a treasonous release of classified information by someone in the CIA that can be punished by putting the leaker to death. But it's public knowledge so it's not unlawful to refer to the fact that the CIA was hacked. Nothing classified was actually cited by Trump.
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Post by Seth » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:04 pm

Svartalf wrote: It's the courts' JOB to examine complaints from people who deem their rights have been violated, the courts did what they are there to do, and if they stumbled on something unconstitutional and otherwise illegal in the executive order, they did their job by overthrowing its execution.
Er, no, not exactly. The first duty of any judge is to determine if the plaintiff has standing to bring the suit. It doesn't matter what the allegations are in the suit if the plaintiff has no standing to sue. None of the states involved had standing to sue in federal court and therefore the only authority of the judges involved is to dismiss the suit for lack of standing. It's notable that in NONE of the cases has ANY judge, including the 9th Circuit panel, EVER analyzed the explicit law under which the President issued his order OR stated the precedents or principles under which they were authorized to even hear the cases precisely because they KNEW the plaintiffs had no standing to file the cases in the first place.

In the US, the federal courts are NOT permitted to do as, for example, French judges may do, which is act as investigator and judge combined and open a case "sua sponte" which means "on their own authority." The federal courts can only take up cases that are properly presented to them in the required format and according to the rules of federal civil procedure by someone who has standing to sue. The very first thing a federal judge must do before taking a case is determine if the court has jurisdiction in that matter and second whether the plaintiff has standing to sue.

And then, if the case is taken up, the court must confine its inquiry to the "four corners of the case" that is presented to it. It cannot open an independent investigation into things that have not been presented to it, and in fact must disregard extraneous materials not legally pertinent to the allowable claims being made...like what the President said during a political campaign before he was elected to the Presidency and long before the order was actually written. The judges were legally constrained to considering ONLY the four corners of the challenged orders, in other words what was actually written in the order not what a candidate for public office might have said months or years before being elected.
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Post by Seth » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:06 pm

Tero wrote:Socialist PBS to end on federal level:
Trump budget would end federal funding for arts endowment, PBS
FOXNEWS
Fox news gets zero federal dollars, but the NEA, PBS, NPR and other artsy-fartys sloppers at the public trough are going to get cut off, and long past time they were.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:49 pm

Trump: "And by the way, with the CIA, I just want people to know, the CIA was hacked, and a lot of things taken -- that was during the Obama years. That was not during us. That was during the Obama situation. Mike Pompeo is there now doing a fantastic job. "

So a national security agency was hacked during Obama's stint at the helm but hasn't, as yet, apparently, been hacked during Trump's short stint. But I bet the people employing hackers are just as interested in CIA information now as they were then, unless they already know everything the current administration has initiated of course. The problem here, it seems to me, is the over-politicisation of national security, clearly exemplified by Trump's urge to pin the responsibility for the hacking on Obama personally rather than the hackers themselves.
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Post by JimC » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:37 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:

The problem here, it seems to me, is the over-politicisation of national security, clearly exemplified by Trump's urge to pin the responsibility for the hacking on Obama personally rather than the hackers themselves.
In the US, everything is over-politicised.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:04 am

Nothing worse than socialist dog catchers.. :nono:
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Post by Animavore » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:48 am

A lot of people foreign to Ireland are cheering the Taoiseach's sly dig at Trump over immigration like he's a legend. They don't seem to get that the little weasel is nearly as hated as Trump is over here. :lol:
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Post by Animavore » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:08 am

The White House included a satirical column in its list of news stories meant to promote Trump agenda — apparently ignoring the fact that the column actually savages Trump's new budget.

Friday’s edition of the “1600 Daily” highlighted a Washington Post article by humorist Alexandra Petri with a deceptively positive title: “Trump’s budget makes perfect sense and will fix America, and I will tell you why.”

But Petri's column is actually a brutal attack on Trump's proposed budget, with cuts domestic programs and the State Department while boosting the defense budget.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... s.facebook

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Some people are complaining that the budget proffered by the Trump administration, despite its wonderful macho-sounding name, is too vague and makes all sorts of cuts to needed programs in favor of increasing military spending by leaps and bounds. These people are wimps. Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney has called it a “hard power budget” which is, I think, the name of an exercise program where you eat only what you can catch, pump up your guns and then punch the impoverished in the face. This, conveniently, is also what the budget does.

This budget will make America a lean, mean fighting machine with bulging, rippling muscles and not an ounce of fat. America has been weak and soft for too long. BUT HOW WILL I SURVIVE ON THIS BUDGET? you may be wondering. I AM A HUMAN CHILD, NOT A COSTLY FIGHTER JET. You may not survive, but that is because you are SOFT and WEAK, something this budget is designed to eliminate.
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Post by Animavore » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:55 am

On that Snoop Dogg article I posted the other day.

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Post by Tyrannical » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:50 am

Brian Peacock wrote:Trump: "And by the way, with the CIA, I just want people to know, the CIA was hacked, and a lot of things taken -- that was during the Obama years. That was not during us. That was during the Obama situation. Mike Pompeo is there now doing a fantastic job. "

So a national security agency was hacked during Obama's stint at the helm but hasn't, as yet, apparently, been hacked during Trump's short stint. But I bet the people employing hackers are just as interested in CIA information now as they were then, unless they already know everything the current administration has initiated of course. The problem here, it seems to me, is the over-politicisation of national security, clearly exemplified by Trump's urge to pin the responsibility for the hacking on Obama personally rather than the hackers themselves.

Well, they caught and arrested the four muzzie IT workers that contracted out to a few dozen democrat reps in DC. Though they have been identified as stealing data from the House computer network, what exactly they stole has not been released.
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Post by Tero » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:11 pm

Trump budget explained in 9 seconds
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