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Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:02 pm

What if, say, Trump manages to significantly increase the US labor participation rate, stem the tide of illegal immigration, increase US domestic industry, production and business, raise US GDP rate of increase to more than 3% per year, repeals and replaces Obamacare with an at least marginally better system, and effectively eradicates ISIS....and nothing significantly negative happens otherwise...

Will you consider him a good President? Or, are the things he talks about doing just, at bottom, things you don't like, even if he succeeds at them?
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Svartalf » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:05 pm

If he manages to be a good prez, he'll be a good prez.
But the odds of it happening seem overwhelmingly poor
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by cronus » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:33 pm

Define good? I'd be happy to be alive five years down the road. He's a good president if I am. :coffee:
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:38 pm

Well, "good" is for you to decide, and it's part of the question I asked in the OP. He's made a bunch of promises, and obviously he thinks if he succeeds in those promises to a significant degree, then he'll have done a good job, and his supporters obviously back him on that view. However, his detractors may not - the question is basically for detractors ,and it relates to whether they would think he did a good job if he succeeded in reaching or significantly achieving his stated goals.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by cronus » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:42 pm

Forty Two wrote:Well, "good" is for you to decide, and it's part of the question I asked in the OP. He's made a bunch of promises, and obviously he thinks if he succeeds in those promises to a significant degree, then he'll have done a good job, and his supporters obviously back him on that view. However, his detractors may not - the question is basically for detractors ,and it relates to whether they would think he did a good job if he succeeded in reaching or significantly achieving his stated goals.
Ignore the words. He's a man of action and America is gonna be flying by the seat of his pants to somewhere off the map. (and he might have a plan but he won't tell you)
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:51 pm

Well, my theory is that if the economy improves, American industry improves, illegal immigration goes down, and ISIS is dealt a significant blow, he will be considered an extremely good President.... his popularity will soar.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Hermit » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:00 pm

Sure. if, say, any president of the United States of America manages to significantly increase the US labour participation rate, stem the tide of illegal immigration, increase US domestic industry, production and business, raise US GDP rate of increase to more than 3% per year, repeals and replaces Obamacare with an at least marginally better system, and effectively eradicates ISIS....and nothing significantly negative happens otherwise. I will consider him/her a good president.

Does it matter to me if Trump succeeds? Certainly.

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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Jason » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:10 pm

Is this a trick question? Sure, if he can manage to improve the US economy while not damaging the global economy then I'll say he's done a good job

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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:17 pm

Hermit wrote:Sure. if, say, any president of the United States of America manages to significantly increase the US labour participation rate, stem the tide of illegal immigration, increase US domestic industry, production and business, raise US GDP rate of increase to more than 3% per year, repeals and replaces Obamacare with an at least marginally better system, and effectively eradicates ISIS....and nothing significantly negative happens otherwise. I will consider him/her a good president.

Does it matter to me if Trump succeeds? Certainly.

Why do you ask?
Because it's interesting to see if people will view as "good" whether he succeeds in his goals. If one opposes his goals, one might consider success "bad."
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:51 pm

With a Trump nominee filling the empty chair on the supreme court the GOP wiil effectively have secured total control of the three branches of government. If life isn't good, or even better, for Americans in four year's time they'll only have the GOP to blame.
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by JimC » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:03 pm

How about adding "and not starting a war with China"?
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:15 pm

Or Russia.
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by JimC » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:26 pm

Or Lichtenstein...
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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by rachelbean » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:05 pm

If he does those things and does not damage women's reproductive rights or gay rights then yes, I would probably consider him a good president. I can't imagine it happening but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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Re: Does it matter to you if Trump succeeds?

Post by Animavore » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:56 am

Depends on what is meant by, "Succeeds" in doing the things he talks about doing. If he succeeds in dismantling the clean energy plan, the EPA and NASA's earth science division, tearing up the Paris agreement, and using his propaganda mill (Breitbart) to sow confusion and doubt over climate change as he drills, digs and fracks, adding more carbondioxide to a system already under pressure, then yes, it matters if he succeeds. It matters to all of us.
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