Stanford sexual assault: Brock Turner's father sparks outrag

[cronus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36459504

Stanford sexual assault: Brock Turner's father sparks outrage


The father of a Stanford University student convicted of sexual assault has sparked outrage on social media by saying his son should not have been jailed for "20 minutes of action".
Brock Turner, 20, was sentenced to six months in jail for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman last year.
The victim's impact statement, which was read out in court, was also widely shared on social media.

The judge expressed concern about the impact of prison on Turner.

Prosecutors said that in January 2015, Turner had been seen by two witnesses sexually assaulting the woman, who was lying on the ground, unconscious, on the Stanford campus.
They said Turner had tried to run away when challenged by the witnesses, but the pair had tackled him and held him until police officers arrived.

A former top swimmer at the university, Turner was found guilty in March of three felony charges. Prosecutors wanted a sentence of six years in state prison for him, the Mercury News reported.
His sentencing, to six months and probation, also required him to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
In an excerpt of a statement to the court before the sentencing, Brock's father, Dan, said his son's life had been "deeply altered forever".

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[pErvinalia]

Yeah I saw this today. It's not hard to see where the son got his disrespect for women from. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[cronus]

Yeah I saw this today. It's not hard to see where the son got his disrespect for women from. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Yeah, but wealthy connected family being a Stanford lad I'd guess...hence six months.

[tattuchu]

In legal parlance, "sexually assaulted" can mean pretty much anything. Anybody know exactly what he did?

[Hermit]

In legal parlance, "sexually assaulted" can mean pretty much anything. Anybody know exactly what he did?

He raped her while she was unconscious. The rapist's father described his son's conduct as "20 minutes of action". How likely do you think that meant "20 minutes of lusty hand holding"? Besides, is sexual assault more akin to harassment if it does not include penile penetration?

Anyway, not that it should matter, but there's this:

Turner, 20, was convicted in March of the intent to commit rape of an intoxicated/unconscious person, penetration of an intoxicated person and penetration of an unconscious person.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/se ... -stanford/

[mistermack]

How come penetration becomes sexual assault, rather than rape?
I can't imagine what distinction was made there.

Edit :
Oh yeh, fingering I suppose is not rape, maybe it was that.

[Hermit]

How come penetration becomes sexual assault, rather than rape?
I can't imagine what distinction was made there.

Edit :
Oh yeh, fingering I suppose is not rape, maybe it was that.

In Australia the legal term for 'rape' is 'sexual assault'. Though in sentencing the forms such assaults are taken into consideration, the categoric distinction between the traditional meaning of rape and other forms of sexual assault has been rejected a couple of decades ago. Maybe some states in the US are going the same way.

I suspect that if penile penetration was not involved, the charge would have been 'digital penetration'. I also doubt the rapist would have fingered the victim during his "20 minutes of action".

[mistermack]

How come penetration becomes sexual assault, rather than rape?
I can't imagine what distinction was made there.

Edit :
Oh yeh, fingering I suppose is not rape, maybe it was that.

In Australia the legal term for 'rape' is 'sexual assault'. Though in sentencing the forms such assaults are taken into consideration, the categoric distinction between the traditional meaning of rape and other forms of sexual assault has been rejected a couple of decades ago. Maybe some states in the US are going the same way.

I suspect that if penile penetration was not involved, the charge would have been 'digital penetration'. I also doubt the rapist would have fingered the victim during his "20 minutes of action".

Yeh, having read the link, it seems like it was plain and simple rape.
Six fucking months for rape? He'll just do a few weeks in jug.

In the UK now, the prosecution can appeal that sort of sentence, and it would certainly happen in a case like that.

Hopefully, the judge will lose his job. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of old boy influence going on behind the scenes here. The sentencing is almost as criminal as the rape.

[cronus]

America before Trump is a figurehead for social justice the world over. Imagine the improvements after Trump is elected?

[pErvinalia]

Just read that a senior law professor at Stanford is starting action to have the Judge recalled (i.e. sacked by the people). 6 months for that is unbelievable.

[rachelbean]

In legal parlance, "sexually assaulted" can mean pretty much anything. Anybody know exactly what he did?

You should maybe read the link. He was interrupted (and then ran), otherwise it would have been rape as well.

[pErvinalia]

Bloody political correctness these days...

[Hermit]

In legal parlance, "sexually assaulted" can mean pretty much anything. Anybody know exactly what he did?

You should maybe read the link. He was interrupted (and then ran), otherwise it would have been rape as well.

I was rape.

Turner, 20, was convicted in March of the intent to commit rape of an intoxicated/unconscious person, penetration of an intoxicated person and penetration of an unconscious person.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/se ... -stanford/

[cronus]

http://www.theonion.com/article/wealthy ... uence-2551

Fact follows fiction....

[tattuchu]

The reason I asked is because the term "sexual assault", in the legal sense, is used so broadly that it can mean pretty much anything. Rape immediately comes to mind when using such an expression but in legal parlance it could also mean something as simple as grabbing someone's bum. Not that grabbing an unconscious girl's bum would be okay. Of course it wouldn't. It's just that using such an inflammatory term as sexual assault is often misleading. I wanted to know precisely what he did before passing judgement on whether or not his sentencing was unnecessarily lenient.

Okay so I was busy the other day and didn't follow the link here, but I did read another news item just today which brought me back to this thread. The news story I read gave an account from one of the witnesses at the scene who intervened. The witness said (s)he saw Turner on top of the girl, thrusting away. So full-blown rape here, it seems. He was also charged with penetrating the girl with a "foreign object". That part confused me. It seems redundant, since any object inserted would be a foreign object. So is the foreign object his dick? Or did he also rape her with something else?

Anyway, yeah. sentence much too light. And both father and son oblivious.