Australian detention of asylum seekers in PNG ruled illegal

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Australian detention of asylum seekers in PNG ruled illegal

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:20 am

Big news here in Australia yesterday concerning the most politically contentious policy sphere for the last 15 years.
Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court has ruled Australia's detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island is illegal.

The five-man bench of the court ruled the detention breached the right to personal liberty in the PNG constitution.

There are 850 men in the detention centre on Manus Island, about half of whom have been found to be refugees.

The Supreme Court has ordered the PNG and Australian Governments to immediately take steps to end the detention of asylum seekers in PNG.

"Both the Australian and Papua New Guinea governments shall forthwith take all steps necessary to cease and prevent the continued unconstitutional and illegal detention of the asylum seekers or transferees at the relocation centre on Manus Island and the continued breach of the asylum seekers or transferees constitutional and human rights," the judges ordered.

In one of two lead judgments, Justice Terence Higgins said the detention also breached asylum seekers' fundamental human rights guaranteed by various conventions on human rights at international law and under the PNG constitution.

"Treating those required to remain in the relocation centre as prisoners irrespective of their circumstances or status … is to offend against their rights and freedoms," Judge Higgins said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-26/p ... al/7360078

There's a sad irony in this whole event. The PNG court ruled the detention of asylum seekers in PNG as unconstitutional because it violates their human rights. What's ironic is that the PNG constitution, which was created by Australia, has stronger protections for human rights than the Australian constitution does.

What happens next is the big question. The Australian immigration and border protection minister has been typically belligerent and said that this changes nothing about our detention policy. That's clearly nonsensical as we can no longer detain these people in PNG. If they can't find another country to detain them in, or a third country to settle them in, then they clearly need to bring them to Australia (something which they are deadset against doing).

The biggest irony of all about this is that Australia has declared asylum seekers illegal, but when a jurisdiction that incorporates basic human rights into its law makes a judgement, it turns out that it is actually Australia that has acted illegally, not the asylum seekers.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:31 am

You bet that now the PNG is no longer feasible,, Taz is turned into a large refugee camp?
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:22 am

We've got Christmas Island (a dot in the middle of the ocean closer to Indonesia than to Australia), but the government is determined not to let any asylum seekers onto Australian soil (unless necessary for medical reasons) as a deterrence factor. If they are housed on Australian soil, the can't totally lock the media out and they have to provide Australian quality accommodation and medical facilities. Putting them in a tropical hell hole like Manus Island (PNG) or Nauru they can stuff them in unairconditioned sheds and tents and treat them like total shit, without any scrutiny.

New Zealand offered to take most of them a year or so ago, and we knocked them back, as that would be treating them with compassion and therefore remove the inhuman deterrence factor. They might end up having to send them to New Zealand if they can't find another pacific nation willing to be bribed with huge sums of money to imprison them.
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Post by laklak » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:37 am

How much y'all paying per head? I could probably take a couple off your hands for the right price.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:46 am

It's an insane amount. I'll look it up in a sec.

There was a recent attempt at a deal to resettle some of them in Cambodia. We paid Cambodia $45million and in the end resettled 2 people before Cambodia pulled the plug. The region is just treating Australia (with our compliance) as a gigantic ATM. If you're a people smuggler in Indonesia, the best way to make money is stay on your boat and the Australian navy/immigration-department will pay you an insane amount for you boat and put you on a nice safe modern rescue dingy and tow you back to Indonesian waters. Crazy.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:54 am

In 2013 the cost was $600 a day - http://world.time.com/2013/05/14/austra ... e-failure/ . That's $220,000 a year. Most are kept in detention for many years (some have been in detention for over 5 years). That's versus $38 a day to house them in the Australian community. I think at the moment there's something like 1800 people in detention. 5 years of offshore detention adds up to just under $2billion.
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600 a day, eh? I'll take 5 young ladies, please.
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Post by Tyrannical » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:41 am

Australia doesn't actually have to do anything, and since they are already in PNG, it's PNG's problem. All that court ruling really means is that it's illegal for Australia to pay PNG to house them :{D

It was pretty hilarious that Australia was sending them to cannibal island lol
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:34 am

That's not right. It's illegal for anyone to detain them there.

But you are right I guess in that they are technically PNG's problem now. They can't force Australia to take them back. But they'll be bashed and killed if left to freely roam around PNG. Australian gov will cop all the political flack if that happens. I reckon they'll eventually end up in new zealand. Unless Tuvalu or Easter Island or some other dot in the ocean are desperate enough for money to lock them up (which is a distinct possibility).
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:07 am

I assume the PNG gov could take Australia to the world court to force Australia to meet its responsibility towards these people if we refuse to move them off PNG.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:17 am

Australian and PNG PMs have announced the detention centre will close. What happens next is the big question.
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Post by NineBerry » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:47 am

Ask the GIF court. Maybe they will decide differently.

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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:10 am

GIF court?
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