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Post by cronus » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:03 am

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10828770/t ... ily-appeal

Donald Trump said he'd kill terrorists' families at a rally. His crowd went wild.

There is a disturbing new anecdote from Donald Trump's presidential campaign in a story by reporter Ryan Lizza, who has a long feature on the Republican primary in the newest issue of the New Yorker.

Lizza followed Trump to an event this December in Mesa, Arizona, where Trump was interviewed by Fox News personality Bill O'Reilly. Shortly before the Mesa event, Trump had pledged to kill the families of suspected terrorists to deter them from attacking America. "When you get these terrorists," Trump said, "you have to take out their families."

O'Reilly, at the event, asked Trump if he was serious. According to Lizza, Trump said yes — and the crowd roared their approval:

Trump’s fans tend to express little regard for political norms. They cheer at his most outlandish statements. O’Reilly asked Trump if he meant it when he said that he would "take out" the family members of terrorists. He didn’t believe that Trump would "put out hits on women and children" if he were elected. Trump replied, "I would do pretty severe stuff." The Mesa crowd erupted in applause. "Yeah, baby!" a man near me yelled. I had never previously been to a political event at which people cheered for the murder of women and children.

This points to a certain theme in Trump's rise: He says the things that mainstream Republicans hint at but are too afraid to say explicitly.

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Post by JimC » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:13 am

In the future, these will be seen in the same light as the Nuremburg rallies...
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Post by cronus » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:31 am

JimC wrote:In the future, these will be seen in the same light as the Nuremburg rallies...
Wait until he wins the nomination. The guy got some real cash to spend on his campaign. We ain't seen nothing yet.
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Post by NineBerry » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:24 am

Is there a video of this? If this happened, there will be a video in this day and age. If there is no video, this could be either invented or a spin. I don't think Trump would go that far. He is too clever for something like this.

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Post by mistermack » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:46 am

NineBerry wrote:Is there a video of this? If this happened, there will be a video in this day and age. If there is no video, this could be either invented or a spin. I don't think Trump would go that far. He is too clever for something like this.
It's neither clever nor stupid.
He will just tailor his response to the audience he's addressing.

To another audience he can claim that it may be simply unavoidable to hit family members when blasting someone with a drone. Which I'm sure is perfectly true, and similar things happen all the time in wars.

To this audience, he just says, "we'll take em out".
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Post by cronus » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:16 pm

He's not in the evil leader league until he'd done his first million.
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Post by mistermack » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:26 pm

A documentary on Trump has just finished on the BBC.
One interesting thing that came out of it, is that he might suffer from the same problem that the Labour Party suffers from in this country.
His voters are the people least likely to actually go out and vote. Which means that opinion polls might give him a false lead.

In the last UK election, none of the opinion polls got it right. They all had the parties neck-and-neck, when actually, the Conservatives had a healthy lead. Because their voters actually went out and voted, whereas a lot of Labour "voters" said that they would, to the pollsters, but on election day, they didn't bother.

Trump's strongest support in the US is among the dirt-poor whites. The same kind of people, who will tell pollsters that they are going to vote for him, but probably won't bother, on polling day.
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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:14 pm

I'm waiting to see Trump shoot at beer cans.

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Post by Hermit » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:19 am

NineBerry wrote:Is there a video of this? If this happened, there will be a video in this day and age. If there is no video, this could be either invented or a spin. I don't think Trump would go that far. He is too clever for something like this.


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Post by JimC » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:53 am

If Hermit can't find it, it doesn't exist! :tup: :clap: :hehe:
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:19 am

Crumple wrote:http://www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10828770/t ... ily-appeal

Donald Trump said he'd kill terrorists' families at a rally. His crowd went wild.

There is a disturbing new anecdote from Donald Trump's presidential campaign in a story by reporter Ryan Lizza, who has a long feature on the Republican primary in the newest issue of the New Yorker.

Lizza followed Trump to an event this December in Mesa, Arizona, where Trump was interviewed by Fox News personality Bill O'Reilly. Shortly before the Mesa event, Trump had pledged to kill the families of suspected terrorists to deter them from attacking America. "When you get these terrorists," Trump said, "you have to take out their families."

O'Reilly, at the event, asked Trump if he was serious. According to Lizza, Trump said yes — and the crowd roared their approval:

Trump’s fans tend to express little regard for political norms. They cheer at his most outlandish statements. O’Reilly asked Trump if he meant it when he said that he would "take out" the family members of terrorists. He didn’t believe that Trump would "put out hits on women and children" if he were elected. Trump replied, "I would do pretty severe stuff." The Mesa crowd erupted in applause. "Yeah, baby!" a man near me yelled. I had never previously been to a political event at which people cheered for the murder of women and children.

This points to a certain theme in Trump's rise: He says the things that mainstream Republicans hint at but are too afraid to say explicitly.

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Post by NineBerry » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:42 am

Ah, so he did say it. Maybe this is why he wants to skip the last tv debate? This and the issue with approving of his endangered animal hunting sons?

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Post by Hermit » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:10 am

NineBerry wrote:Ah, so he did say it. Maybe this is why he wants to skip the last tv debate?
No. He feels unassailable, no matter what he said or did. For example, he said "I could shoot somebody right in the middle of Fifth Avenue, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" And yes, that is available on Youtube as well.

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Post by NineBerry » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:30 am

Ah, but see the context in that. He is trying to make fun of how his opponents say how blindly his followers follow him. So it is not actually him saying this in earnest.

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Post by JimC » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:12 am

NineBerry wrote:Ah, but see the context in that. He is trying to make fun of how his opponents say how blindly his followers follow him. So it is not actually him saying this in earnest.
It might be a jest, but at the same time it's a nasty, ego-filled boast about personal power.
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