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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:04 pm

There's no such thing as "violent breeds".
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:57 pm

I wouldn't disagree that people who want an aggressive dog as an adjunct to their personality are often arseholes. Banning this-or-that breed of dog doesn't change that fact, nor does it stop them getting any other kind of dog for the same reason.

I used to know a bloke who trained his Alsatian to carry a house brick and bark, snarl, and strain at the leash on sight of black and asian people. You can't breed that kind of dickery out of people by banning this-or-that dog breed.
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Post by mistermack » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:33 pm

The breeds are definitely different. To say otherwise is to deny the effectiveness of selective breeding.

A Labrador owned by a dumb self-indulgent owner is not likely to be dangerous.
A Pit-bull in the same hands is.

Other "fighting" breeds have had a lot of the aggressiveness bred out of them. Like the English Bulldog, or the Staffordshire. They still have quite a bit of potential, but it can easily be trained out.

Other breeds like the Pit-bull have been recently selected for aggressiveness right up to the present day, and that aggressiveness doesn't take much to bring it out.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:39 pm

That is the whole point: it takes little for them to be aggressive. The trigger can be very small.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:01 pm

mistermack wrote: A Labrador owned by a dumb self-indulgent owner is not likely to be dangerous.
A Pit-bull in the same hands is.
The evidence doesn't back this up, though. It seems that it's almost totally down to socialisation. Bogans have bogan dogs. Nice people have nice dogs.
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Post by laklak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:20 pm

Our journos just LOVE a pit bull attack, guarantees a shitton of coverage and lots of informed tweets. One issue is there's no such thing as a pit bull, there are any number of breeds that people call "pit bulls". There's the American Pit Bull Terrier, which is a specific breed. Staffies are also called pit bulls. As are pretty much any breed or mix that sort of, kind of, looks like the popular conception of a pit bull. Here's a handy chart to help with breed identification:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:29 pm

They were just viscous dogs used in bull and bear baiting.
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Post by laklak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:46 pm

They're pretty much my favorite dogs. Pits and Labs. Look at this little face. Don't you just want to boop his nose?
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Post by mistermack » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:00 pm

"In the 13-year period of 2005 through 2017, canines killed 433 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths. "

That strongly indicates that some breeds are more dangerous than others.
It's true that Pit bull owners are often scum, and part of the problem. But even so, those figures are still overwhelming evidence of a problem with the breed.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:16 pm

mistermack wrote:"In the 13-year period of 2005 through 2017, canines killed 433 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths. "

That strongly indicates that some breeds are more dangerous than others.
I doesn't indicate anything of the sort. This can easily be explained by the BQ (bogan quotient) of the owners.
It's true that Pit bull owners are often scum
There you go.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:21 pm

This is a relevant topic at the moment here. A couple and their dog got mauled on the beach yesterday by some big "pit bull" type of thing. It was off its lead and the owner couldn't physically control it. It locked its jaws onto the smaller dog and that dog's owner had to physically pries the jaws open. Usually hear about a dog attack once a month here on my local facebook page. There are a hell of a lot of dog owners and they all walk them on the beach, and they are often off their leashes. I've had a few dogs run up to me in a potentially aggressive way. I'm nearly at the point of attacking them first, ask questions later. I think there'll be a community reckoning soon. The dogs on the beaches are becoming more and more of a problem.
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Post by mistermack » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:36 pm

I recommend a golf wedge.
So long as you have balls, you should be ok. :D

I remember once, years ago, I was playing golf on Minchinhampton Common, which is open to public walkers.

I was eyeing up a shot with an iron in my hand, when all of a sudden I heard a vicious snarling noise, right down by my ankles. Without any thought whatsoever, I swished down with the golf club and hopped away from the noise.
There was the noise of breaking china, the club must have hit what turned out to be a jack-russel sized dog in the teeth. The thing yelped and ran away at full speed.

It must have crept up on me really craftily, because I'm fairly aware of my surroundings, and there was no cover for hundreds of yards. I was mega sorry when I saw what it was, but it was a purely instinctive reaction.

But if I was walking a beach with problem dogs, the golf club would be great. It's not a weapon, so long as you have some balls, but it can be brilliant protection.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:06 pm

laklak wrote:They're pretty much my favorite dogs. Pits and Labs. Look at this little face. Don't you just want to boop his nose?
Watch your face with that one.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:12 pm

In my short stint in the Edinburgh Police I was attacked by a "pit bull" when I rang a door bell but I had my miner's boots on (it was night shift) one swift kick despatched him into the next world.
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Post by laklak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:36 pm

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laklak wrote:They're pretty much my favorite dogs. Pits and Labs. Look at this little face. Don't you just want to boop his nose?
Watch your face with that one.
Yeah might get licked.

But look at this dude. Fucking awesome, I would LOVE to have a dog like this. Absolutely gorgeous. With this fucker and an AR ain't NOBODY given this redneck no shit. He'd look really good in the bed of my white pick-up.
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