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Post by Hermit » Fri May 27, 2022 11:21 am

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I've heard quite a few independents standing on environment and climate issues have been elected. Are they likely to make it into the coalition?
Not formally. The new Prime Minister is hoping to get enough Ayes (at the moment one should suffice) to get his bills through the house of representatives. Passing them through the Senate will be a bigger problem.

Most of the new independents are basically the left wing of the misnamed Liberal Party. They are liberal in the classic sense - socially liberal and fiscally dry/laissez faire. As such, they are not particularly enamoured of any traces of socialism remaining in the Labor Party.
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Post by JimC » Fri May 27, 2022 9:07 pm

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Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 10:09 am
I've heard quite a few independents standing on environment and climate issues have been elected. Are they likely to make it into the coalition?
Not formally. The new Prime Minister is hoping to get enough Ayes (at the moment one should suffice) to get his bills through the house of representatives. Passing them through the Senate will be a bigger problem.

Most of the new independents are basically the left wing of the misnamed Liberal Party. They are liberal in the classic sense - socially liberal and fiscally dry/laissez faire. As such, they are not particularly enamoured of any traces of socialism remaining in the Labor Party.
But they (the "teal independents") do have a fairly solid position on environmental issues, particularly climate change. I'm trying to be optimistic that the new government will enact policies that speed up the transition to renewables, at least in comparison to the snail's pace of the previous government, hamstrung as it was by the presence of climate change deniers in its ranks...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri May 27, 2022 9:56 pm

I'm curious as to whether the election result is just the usual back-and-forth swinging between the major parties or if it perhaps represents more of a cultural shift away from neo-liberalism. I imagine the Murdoch media has come out all guns blazing on the new broom?
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Post by JimC » Fri May 27, 2022 10:56 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:56 pm
I'm curious as to whether the election result is just the usual back-and-forth swinging between the major parties or if it perhaps represents more of a cultural shift away from neo-liberalism. I imagine the Murdoch media has come out all guns blazing on the new broom?
The combined share of both parties has gone down considerably - the Liberal coalition by a lot, Labour a little. The teal independents won a swathe of previously liberal-held seats, in affluent suburbs, Labour picked up a few, and the Greens increased their vote in the inner city, winning one extra seat. The National party held on to all their rural seats. The minor right wing parties increased their vote a little. Basically, analysts are saying that the result confirms a growing distrust of major parties and existing political structures, mostly from voters concerned about inaction on environmental issues, but to a relatively small degree from the Trump-like looney right, who won no seats, even though their vote was slightly up.

The results from the Senate will take a long time to come in, but will probably include a large number of members either independent or from fringe parties of the right, plus maybe more Greens. Hopefully, the Labour government will be able to assemble enough votes there to get their legislation passed in the upper house...
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 27, 2022 11:33 pm

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the Greens increased their vote in the inner city, winning one extra seat.
The Greens are up two extra seats at the moment, and most probably will get another one on top of that.
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Post by JimC » Sat May 28, 2022 1:18 am

Even better!
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Post by macdoc » Sat May 28, 2022 1:39 am

stars aligning better for the progressives around the world, macron, germany, trudeau all settled for a bit and biden at least in some form of control tho not for lone
- not sure about japan and tories look to self destruct in the uk at some point.

of course the nuclear clock ticks closer to midnight sooooo
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat May 28, 2022 7:30 am

Greens got their fourth seat at the expense of Labor. :yes: I think Labour only has 2 more seats it could win. I'm seriously hoping they don't get them. A hung parliament with Greens and the Indies is an opportunity too good to miss.
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Although most of the Indies are economic liberals, so the hope for a more social economic approach might be lost. The test will be whether Labor continues to support the stage three tax cuts (tax cuts for higher incomes).
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Post by JimC » Sat May 28, 2022 8:50 am

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Post by Hermit » Sat May 28, 2022 9:09 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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Greens got their fourth seat at the expense of Labor. :yes: I think Labour only has 2 more seats it could win. I'm seriously hoping they don't get them. A hung parliament with Greens and the Indies is an opportunity too good to miss.
Labor will finish up with 76 seats. Unless it takes the risk of offering the speaker's chair to an independent or a green it will have to rely on one other vote from elsewhere to have bills passed in the lower house.

The bigger problem is in the Senate. The L/NP coalition will finish up with 31 seats, and Labor with 26. It will need the support of most of the 12 greens senators to get the go-ahead for its legislations, as the other five (with 71.1% of the senate votes counted, two seats are still undecided) senators are unlikely to give their assent.

Albanese said he won't be dealing with the greens. As far as the senate is concerned, he'll have to eat his words. On the bright side he may be able to scupper Adani's giant Carmichael coal mine and blame the decision on the greens. Greenmail, so to speak.
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