Donald Trump: ISIS Manchurian Candidate

[Jason]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

The terrorist campaign against American ideals is winning. Fear is rampant. Gun sales are soaring. Hate crimes are increasing. Bearded hipsters are being mistaken for Muslims. And 83 percent of voters believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely here in the near future. Some Americans are now so afraid that they are willing to trade in the sacred beliefs that define America for some vague promises of security from the very people who are spreading the terror. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

I’m not talking about ISIS. I’m talking about Donald Trump.

http://time.com/4143003/kareem-abdul-ja ... rump-isis/

[Seth]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

The terrorist campaign against American ideals is winning. Fear is rampant. Gun sales are soaring. Hate crimes are increasing. Bearded hipsters are being mistaken for Muslims. And 83 percent of voters believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely here in the near future. Some Americans are now so afraid that they are willing to trade in the sacred beliefs that define America for some vague promises of security from the very people who are spreading the terror. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

I’m not talking about ISIS. I’m talking about Donald Trump.

http://time.com/4143003/kareem-abdul-ja ... rump-isis/

What "sacred beliefs" is this fucknut referring to, pray tell? There is no "sacred belief" that all religions are equal and equally harmful (or beneficial) to society and that therefore any behavior by anyone that is claimed as a "religious belief" is automatically and inevitably constitutionally protected. There is no "sacred belief" that any and every fucknut who wants to come here and enjoy what they didn't build in their own countries has a right to come here and burden the rest of us with their presence. There is no "sacred belief" that we cannot "profile" our enemies and protect our nation against them using whatever force is required.

So what the fuck is he referring to?

Not one constitutional principle has been violated so far. Not one. By Trump or anyone else who desires to prohibit Muslim immigration. They are free to practice their religion however they like, just not here.

[cronus]

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
― Joseph Goebbels

[pErvinalia]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

The terrorist campaign against American ideals is winning. Fear is rampant. Gun sales are soaring. Hate crimes are increasing. Bearded hipsters are being mistaken for Muslims. And 83 percent of voters believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely here in the near future. Some Americans are now so afraid that they are willing to trade in the sacred beliefs that define America for some vague promises of security from the very people who are spreading the terror. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

I’m not talking about ISIS. I’m talking about Donald Trump.

http://time.com/4143003/kareem-abdul-ja ... rump-isis/

What "sacred beliefs" is this fucknut referring to, pray tell? There is no "sacred belief" that all religions are equal and equally harmful (or beneficial) to society and that therefore any behavior by anyone that is claimed as a "religious belief" is automatically and inevitably constitutionally protected. There is no "sacred belief" that any and every fucknut who wants to come here and enjoy what they didn't build in their own countries has a right to come here and burden the rest of us with their presence. There is no "sacred belief" that we cannot "profile" our enemies and protect our nation against them using whatever force is required.

So what the fuck is he referring to?

I'd expect it is the concepts of freedom and liberalism. That is, the exact opposite to the utter irrational fear Americans seem to live in and which allows your governments to massively curtail civil liberties. And "our enemies"?? Not all Muslims in America (let alone most of them around the world) are your enemy. You guys are letting irrational fear degrade the freedom of Muslims (and everyone, Muslim or not) in your own country. Read the story about the Texas Muslim family that has had their house windows broken with rocks every night since they moved into the neighbourhood. Where do you think that sort of irrational illiberal nonsense is coming from? It's coming from authoritarian hate mongers in the republican party. Most notably the biggest nutter of them all, the Donald.

And that's not to mention that your biggest "enemy" is actually white gun nutters (most of them Christian) who regularly kill Americans on American soil.

[Hermit]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin

[pErvinalia]

yep

[cronus]

Eagle is top of the food chain. Don't forget it.

[pErvinalia]

It thought his hair was prey.

[Seth]

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
― Joseph Goebbels

Echoing Karl Marx.

Of course there's propaganda and then there's propaganda. It's the ultimate aim of the propaganda that's important. Is it aimed at tyranny and despotism or is it aimed at securing liberty, freedom and justice?

You see, the Republicans have also read Alinsky and have taken the propaganda principle to heart because they understand that this is one good way to defeat the evil forces of socialism that they face.

Nothing wrong with that. It's nothing that the left hasn't been doing for more than a century.

[cronus]

I'm half and half with Trump. Seth, if it is too good to be true then it is likely to be too good to be true. And Trump might be a Stalin in disguise. He is a monopolist and that is only one card short of Marxism, and a card he is fixated on attaining. Then he could do a lot of good...alternatively...with wise mentors directing him against unwise actions....so lets see?

[Seth]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

The terrorist campaign against American ideals is winning. Fear is rampant. Gun sales are soaring. Hate crimes are increasing. Bearded hipsters are being mistaken for Muslims. And 83 percent of voters believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely here in the near future. Some Americans are now so afraid that they are willing to trade in the sacred beliefs that define America for some vague promises of security from the very people who are spreading the terror. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

I’m not talking about ISIS. I’m talking about Donald Trump.

http://time.com/4143003/kareem-abdul-ja ... rump-isis/

What "sacred beliefs" is this fucknut referring to, pray tell? There is no "sacred belief" that all religions are equal and equally harmful (or beneficial) to society and that therefore any behavior by anyone that is claimed as a "religious belief" is automatically and inevitably constitutionally protected. There is no "sacred belief" that any and every fucknut who wants to come here and enjoy what they didn't build in their own countries has a right to come here and burden the rest of us with their presence. There is no "sacred belief" that we cannot "profile" our enemies and protect our nation against them using whatever force is required.

So what the fuck is he referring to?

I'd expect it is the concepts of freedom and liberalism.

"Freedom" and "Liberalism" are mutually exclusive terms. No Liberal supports freedom, ever. They claim to, but in reality all they want is more Marxist power and control over others.

That is, the exact opposite to the utter irrational fear Americans seem to live in and which allows your governments to massively curtail civil liberties.

Our government, at the moment, is stuffed to the gills with, and is run by the most "liberal" Marxist Progressive in our history, and the curtailment of our civil liberties has ALWAYS been at the behest of other Progressives and "liberals," including Bush the Younger, who contrary to popular understanding was a Wilsonian Progressive of the highest order and used 9/11 to create the largest and fastest expansion of federal government power and control in the history of the US.

That being said, our fears are hardly "irrational," they are quite real, clear and present dangers to our entire system of government and economy.

And "our enemies"?? Not all Muslims in America (let alone most of them around the world) are your enemy.

Well, that is the essential question isn't it? As I've said before, because to be a Muslim is to follow the will of Allah and the words of his prophet, Mohammed, and since those commandments explicitly call for all Muslims to subjugate or kill all infidels, and because they explicitly command all Muslims to lie through their teeth as they smile and shove a dagger into your ribs in order to advance the cause of Islam and the control of the entire world by Islam and the Caliphate, it's pretty hard to tell which Muslims are "true Muslims" and therefore our mortal enemies and which are "peaceful apostate Muslims" willing to risk having their own heads sawed off with a knife for apostasy by "true Muslims" in order to live peacefully with us infidels.

I say we err on the side of caution and consider them all to be "true Muslims," by their own definition and holy commandments, and we call them enemies until they prove themselves not to be.

You guys are letting irrational fear degrade the freedom of Muslims (and everyone, Muslim or not) in your own country.

It's not an irrational fear, it's a very, very rational fear, as events in California and elsewhere, like Paris, prove. Frankly I don't care about the freedom of Muslims because they are, by self-definition, barbarians who want to rule the world and will kill anyone who disagrees with them and therefore they are undeserving of freedom.

Read the story about the Texas Muslim family that has had their house windows broken with rocks every night since they moved into the neighbourhood.

Well, they could put up signs stating that they renounce jihad, sharia law and the Caliphate. That might help.

Where do you think that sort of irrational illiberal nonsense is coming from?

Liberals, mostly.

It's coming from authoritarian hate mongers in the republican party.

Quisling chamberlainesque appeasement-monkey.

Most notably the biggest nutter of them all, the Donald.

Nah, he's just prudently suggesting we don't let any more Muslims into the US until we can be sure they aren't terrorists.

And that's not to mention that your biggest "enemy" is actually white gun nutters (most of them Christian) who regularly kill Americans on American soil.

An assertion for which you have scant if any evidence.

[Jason]

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I'm going to ignore the usual calls of "Marxism" and put it down to the baying of idiots to ask instead what good do you imagine Trump capable of achieving? The only possibility I see is the instigation of major global conflict and an early end to American economic and cultural tyranny - which would be wonderful - but at what a cost.

[Seth]

I'm half and half with Trump. Seth, if it is too good to be true then it is likely to be too good to be true. And Trump might be a Stalin in disguise. He is a monopolist and that is only one card short of Marxism, and a card he is fixated on attaining. Then he could do a lot of good...alternatively...with wise mentors directing him against unwise actions....so lets see?

He's a capitalist, not a monopolist, and as President he would have little ability to impose either Stalinesque or Marxist programs because Congress still is there to check such actions. He couldn't possibly be any worse that Obama in that regard, and his interests are clearly in economic advancement and capitalism, not Marxism.

He's also a fearless populist who says what he means and means what he says. It's my impression that, in his business dealings, when he says he'd going to do something, he does it. He goes big and sometimes he crashes and burns (Trump Tower in Las Vegas is an example) but he picks himself right back up and goes at it again, both barrels and full steam. I respect that even if I disagree with him on, for example, eminent domain.

I can abide many faults in a President, but the one fault I cannot abide, and no one should abide, is lying. Obama and Clinton (both of them) are/were congenital psychopathic liars who will say anything that will advance their intentions no matter how blatantly false the statement is, and they will use Alinsky tactics on anyone who challenges their lies, as both Obama and Hillary do, by spouting bigger lies and attacking the characters of their opponents while utterly ignoring and evading the actual charges being levied against them.

If Donald Trump is nothing else, he's in my opinion a straight talker who says what he means and isn't afraid to offend anyone in speaking what he believes to be the truth. I can respect that, particularly because when someone challenges him on a statement, he responds to the challenge rather than evading it.

Those are attributes I've not seen in a presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan, including even my most favored candidate, Rand Paul, who has evidently lost his Libertarianism in favor of utilitarian adherence to the Republican Progressive agenda just like McConnell and Ryan.

[Seth]

I'm going to ignore the usual calls of "Marxism" and put it down to the baying of idiots to ask instead what good do you imagine Trump capable of achieving? The only possibility I see is the instigation of major global conflict and an early end to American economic and cultural tyranny - which would be wonderful - but at what a cost.

If anything, Trump is first and foremost a capitalist who wants our economy to grow and is willing to do what is necessary to make that happen. I don't see any evidence of "cultural tyranny" from him, which is exactly what we have now under Obama. The current infection of cultural Marxism is purely the fault of the "liberal" side of the political spectrum, not the conservative side, where Trump firmly rests.

[cronus]

Let the wheel spin and the cards lay where they will. History is a greater judge than any here.