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Britain is going to be Tory for at least 10 years.

Post by mistermack » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:01 pm

Buy share in fox hunts. And any company that has prominent Tories on the board. And get yourself private health cover.

The Tories can do whatever they want, for the next 10 years. And that could very easily include leaving the EU.

Tony Blair is right. Labour are heading for a cliff. But he's wrong, if he thinks they can be diverted.
I don't think they can. Jeremy Corbyn has 53% in the polls. His nearest rival has 21%.

And thousands are piling in to join Labour, so that they can vote. It only costs three pounds! Many Tories will consider that money well spent. In fact, probably the best three quid they ever spent.
Why would you give three pounds to the Tory party, when you could use it to get yourself a vote in the Labour leadership, and vote for an un-electable leader?
In the 24 hours before registration to vote closed Wednesday, Labour received more than 160,000 applications.

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Post by JimC » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:23 pm

How many sleazy rent-boy affairs by Tory ministers will it take to turn this around? The Labour Party dirty tricks department could encourage that a little...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:30 pm

JimC wrote:How many sleazy rent-boy affairs by Tory ministers will it take to turn this around?
Twelve. :tea:
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:32 pm

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JimC wrote:How many sleazy rent-boy affairs by Tory ministers will it take to turn this around?
Twelve. :tea:
That's only a week and a half's worth. Be realistic. :tea:
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Post by klr » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:07 am

If Labour voters and activists think a big lurch to the left is going to work, they really have no grasp of reality. As in most countries, if you want to win an election, you've got to win the middle ground.
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Post by JimC » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:37 am

klr wrote:If Labour voters and activists think a big lurch to the left is going to work, they really have no grasp of reality. As in most countries, if you want to win an election, you've got to win the middle ground.
Exactly. In Oz, the middle ground means having exactly my own political opinions... :smoke:

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Post by cronus » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:42 am

Need to see how high unemployment goes? Never say never. The English are notorious for being fickle and stupid. :read:
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:40 am

klr wrote:If Labour voters and activists think a big lurch to the left is going to work, they really have no grasp of reality. As in most countries, if you want to win an election, you've got to win the middle ground.
Except DPRK, obviously. :tea:
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Post by rachelbean » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:40 am

Fuck the middle. Fuck every labour representative that abstained from voting on the welfare act. I'm happy there seems to be part of the labour party still alive, and happy I'm now registered to vote :cheer:

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Post by mistermack » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:13 pm

rachelbean wrote:Fuck the middle. Fuck every labour representative that abstained from voting on the welfare act. I'm happy there seems to be part of the labour party still alive, and happy I'm now registered to vote :cheer:
Maybe so, but none of that will stop Britain being Tory-governed for the next ten years.
It's going to be little comfort to those who's benefits are being cut, that a tiny group of Labour MPs are voicing their dissent.
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Post by cronus » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:15 pm

Not like the Tories have a popular majority mandate to carry out their proposed wholesale change of the UK. With only 23% of the public behind them only a matter of time before organised and coordinated resistance makes things difficult, turns ugly and quite interesting. Won't stop them but could slow them to half speed or less. Five years in late capitalism is like the five years in a Bowie song....
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Post by mistermack » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:51 pm

For anyone who thinks I'm jumping the gun, and that the leadership is still wide open, here are the current betting odds :
Jeremy Corbyn 1/4
Andy Burnham 4/1
Yvette Cooper 7/1
Liz Kendall 100/1

So if you fancy Corbyn will lose, you can make easy money off the mugs running Paddypower.

The only reason that it's only 1/4 is that there is still the possibility that the two women might withdraw, and urge their supporters to switch to Andy Burnham, which could make it a tighter race.
Or the vague possibility that Jeremy Corbyn himself might withdraw, rather than end up the biggest loser in Labour history.

That's the reason I'm not risking MY money on a bet on Corbyn. I'm not a money gambler anyway, but that would stop me taking the 1/4 odds on Corbyn.
Neither of those things are likely though, but I'm still hoping that sanity will prevail.
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Post by mistermack » Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:27 pm

Odds have gone a bit more decisive, by half a point in the wrong direction in just one day.
Corbyn 4.5 to 1 on, Burnham 4.5 to 1 against. Which is twenty times the odds.

The other two are 15 to 2 and 100 to 1.

And Corbyn's opinion poll rating is now 57%, easily enough to win on the first ballot, without needing second preferences from votes for the others.

It's going to take an earthquake for him not to win now.
You might be looking at the beginning of the end of the Labour Party, as a potential government.
It might even be the birth of a new alternative socialist party, like the SDP was years ago.
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Post by jamest » Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:08 pm

My idealism extends beyond metaphysics, but for me far-left socialism just doesn't work in conjunction with capitalism (unless you've got a murdering/oppressive regime running the show). A country/state should live within its means like any normal household, not borrow indefinitely until the point of bankruptcy to make everyone feel content with their materialistic lot [with the ultimate goal of staying in power].

The fact is that this country (UK) is in a LOT of debt to the point that it can barely manage to pay the interest upon it. Yet much of this has come about through trying to sustain the ideals of a welfare state for its poorer and more unfortunate citizens. Though, many of those citizens are taking the piss out of the system (notwithstanding those people who are not even UK citizens!).

Many of us are pissed off with people taking the piss out of UK taxes, and we're also pissed off with the selfish mind-set of disregarding UK debt. Anyone who really cares about the LONG-TERM future of Britain and its citizens should not be trying to bleed/hound the state for their own short-term future. I say this as a working-class man brought up in the slums of a northern city. I am not rich, nor even middle-class. Indeed, there have been some grim financial times in my life.

A time of inevitable austerity is upon us which must necessarily affect all, both rich and poor. You can't just rape one social/monetary class to sustain the other, as most poor people seem to suggest. In a capitalist system, it is financial greed and reward which generates industry and wealth. If you undermine that, then you undermine the very thing at the heart of the country's income, which in turn undermines the capacity of said country to provide for its more unfortunate citizens.

Political idealism doesn't work unless everyone is wholly committed to it. That's never going to happen unless there's a spiritual revolution which mirrors my own metaphysical idealism. That might never happen either, but if it doesn't then we have to accept that society pivots upon selfishness and money, in which case there can be no future for far-left socialist policies. The notion that we can rape the rich to feed the poor is to the ultimate detriment of the capitalist system which underpins everything.

I have no idea how/why intelligent human beings like Corbyn fail to comprehend this fact.

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Post by mistermack » Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:30 pm

I find it absolutely stunning that Corbyn, and his supporters, are going to make the party unelectable.
He's not stupid. He must know the inevitable result of what they are doing.

Everybody knew it, when they elected the wrong Milliband. But there was some grey area there. Ed Milliband was slightly left-leaning, but not so notoriously so.
I knew fucking well as soon as the leadership election was over, that Labour would be up against it, and that they had made a huge mistake. It was Neil Kinnock all over again.
But the doubt was there, that I could well be wrong, (and everyone else who thought the same), and that they might just sqeeze in with a tiny majority.
As it happened, the instinct was absolutely right. In fact, far righter than we all suspected.

This time round, it's not instinct. It's glaringly obvious. It won't just be a narrow defeat.
It will be a wipe-out.

And I hate the thought of the Tories getting in again.
I blame Ed Milliband for the last defeat. Him and his union backers.

But Corbyn, I blame him for putting the Tories in for what will probably be the rest of my lifetime.
I doubt that I will ever live to see a Labour government again.
And I find that very sad.
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