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Is the American business community racist?

Post by cronus » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:08 pm

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Is the American business community racist?

The film “Selma” calls us to consider where we stand today and what we are doing as individuals and communities about racial justice.

In the past few months a rainbow of people has taken to protesting throughout the country. Racial injustice brought to light by failures of grand juries to indict white police officers after the deaths of unarmed black men is moving citizens of all backgrounds to action.

The media feature voices of passionate, concerned black, brown and white people, students and, of course politicians. We see the arts community in solidarity with the movement. Athletes and entire sports teams put their careers on the line to speak up. But where are the voices of the business community?

As a business person, I am deeply disturbed by the silence of my peers. Is the travesty of justice and police corruption, lack of respect and utter disregard for human dignity not our concern? Many of us are already leaders in our communities, working hard to strengthen local and regional economies. Most are good people running responsible businesses. But what does our silence say? Silence is a signal of acceptance. Silence is seen as an endorsement of the status quo. Silence is not good for business.

More and more businesses owners are turning business into a force for good. We recognize the interconnected and circular nature of our economy. If we take care of our employees, they take care of us. If we pay a living wage, then our community has purchasing power that ultimately benefits our business.

Ensuring just policing and a fair justice system are part of the same value proposition. Many police officers and grand juries already act this way. But when they lose sight of these principles, it’s bad for residents, bad for the police themselves, and bad for the community. It gets in the way of the mutual trust and respect.

It doesn’t help our employees bring their best self to work if they live in constant fear that they or their children or partner will be singled out for state-sanctioned violence and an unfair justice system for no reason other than the color of their skin.

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:51 am

They made a film about one of Marge Simpson's sisters? Bet Patty's pissed!
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Scumple wrote:http://www.shanghaidaily.com/opinion/fo ... aily.shtml

Is the American business community racist?

The film “Selma” calls us to consider where we stand today and what we are doing as individuals and communities about racial justice.

In the past few months a rainbow of people has taken to protesting throughout the country. Racial injustice brought to light by failures of grand juries to indict white police officers after the deaths of unarmed black men is moving citizens of all backgrounds to action.
They weren't "unarmed," which is precisely why the grand juries refuse to indict police officers who use reasonable and appropriate physical force in self-defense against individuals who threaten and attack them.
But what does our silence say? Silence is a signal of acceptance. Silence is seen as an endorsement of the status quo. Silence is not good for business.
Then let me not be silent. You're full of crap and your race-baiting tactics are reprehensible and self-serving. If people don't want to get shot by the police, they shouldn't do things that cause the police to shoot them.
Ensuring just policing and a fair justice system are part of the same value proposition. Many police officers and grand juries already act this way. But when they lose sight of these principles, it’s bad for residents, bad for the police themselves, and bad for the community. It gets in the way of the mutual trust and respect.
Lumping grand juries in with police officers is merely "racial justice" propaganda. Grand Juries are made up of citizens of the community selected to investigate an alleged crime to see if a crime occurred and to recommend prosecution if sufficient evidence of a crime exists. They are not some secret society or cabal, they are individuals chosen like any other jury, who listen to the evidence presented and decide if a crime occurred. If no crime occurred, they will say so.

The idea that any white police officer who shoots an "unarmed" black person should be tried for murder is just so much racist propaganda.
It doesn’t help our employees bring their best self to work if they live in constant fear that they or their children or partner will be singled out for state-sanctioned violence and an unfair justice system for no reason other than the color of their skin.
Except in most cases they triggered the actions of the police by violating the law and/or offering violence towards the police, and the color of their skin has nothing whatever to do with it. That's precisely why Grand Juries decline to indict, because THEY get to see all the evidence...the evidence that YOU do not see or even know about, that shows that the shooting was justifiable...or not.

Before you bloviate any further I think you should go through one of those video shoot-don't-shoot training classes that will demonstrate to you exactly how difficult it is to be a police officer and how few fractions of a second you have to shoot or be shot. Then I might be interested in hearing what you have to say.

Right now, you're just a bloviating idiot who is expounding on things you have no actual knowledge of.
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Re: Is the American business community racist?

Post by cronus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:32 am

I'm not saying chronic multi-generational steady state poverty don't mess with folks moral character Seth but America are gonna lose the trade war with China good and proper. They are winning moral high ground, you is losing. Good thing America don't make nothing except for crap spyware software. China does too. But they are using it to spy on competitors not their own. (mostly) :coffee:
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Post by piscator » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:13 am

We make hella good bombs.

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Post by cronus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:41 am

piscator wrote:We make hella good bombs.
Must be lonely living with a gun, deriving all your power relations from cold steel? And anyway China is 4000 years old, America 200....put me money where the future is likely to be, after the war. They don't need to do anything, America made a lot of enemies on its rush up the ladder. Maybe keep you spending on defence by pretending to arm....a smarter version of how America beat (beat?) Russia. :nono:
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Post by piscator » Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:07 am

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piscator wrote:We make hella good bombs.
Must be lonely living with a gun, deriving all your power relations from cold steel? And anyway China is 4000 years old, America 200....put me money where the future is likely to be, after the war. They don't need to do anything, America made a lot of enemies on its rush up the ladder. Maybe keep you spending on defence by pretending to arm....a smarter version of how America beat (beat?) Russia. :nono:

We like to excel in the arts between inventing the integrated circuit and splitting the atom. It's not all about feeding half the world while blowing the fuck out of the rest, you know. :coffee:

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Post by cronus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:22 am

piscator wrote:
Scumple wrote:
piscator wrote:We make hella good bombs.
Must be lonely living with a gun, deriving all your power relations from cold steel? And anyway China is 4000 years old, America 200....put me money where the future is likely to be, after the war. They don't need to do anything, America made a lot of enemies on its rush up the ladder. Maybe keep you spending on defence by pretending to arm....a smarter version of how America beat (beat?) Russia. :nono:

We like to excel in the arts between inventing the integrated circuit and splitting the atom. It's not all about feeding half the world while blowing the fuck out of the rest, you know. :coffee:
Yeah, but that was yesterday. Not done a lot lately. Can't live on old photographs. Crap movies - splitting atoms not new, been around for a long time. America didn't invent the bomb alone, the work of European scientists mostly. Chips wouldn't be no where without one my close relatives here who invented your boolean algebra. You got that 'we invented the world' of peak empire syndrome, don't worry it'll pass. Can't give children nothing without them trashing it. Was a good Empire in A1 condition when your parent nation (note - nation) handed you it. :read:
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Scumple wrote:
piscator wrote:We make hella good bombs.
Must be lonely living with a gun, deriving all your power relations from cold steel? And anyway China is 4000 years old, America 200....put me money where the future is likely to be, after the war. They don't need to do anything, America made a lot of enemies on its rush up the ladder. Maybe keep you spending on defence by pretending to arm....a smarter version of how America beat (beat?) Russia. :nono:
Nonsense. "China" as it exists today is less than half the age of the US, being created in the 30's.

There is wisdom in the notion that we should not be drawn into bankrupting the country in an arms race...after all, that's exactly what we did to the Soviet Union. However, that's never really been a problem for us because we make such fine weaponry that we can easily sell it to other nations, thereby paying for the costs of creating our own arsenal using OPM. The Soviets were far too paranoid and their weaponry was of grossly inferior quality to fund their military from commercial sales, although the AK is selling well. Then again, anybody can build an AK, and the best ones don't even come from Russia.
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Post by cronus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:05 pm

Seth wrote:
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piscator wrote:We make hella good bombs.
Must be lonely living with a gun, deriving all your power relations from cold steel? And anyway China is 4000 years old, America 200....put me money where the future is likely to be, after the war. They don't need to do anything, America made a lot of enemies on its rush up the ladder. Maybe keep you spending on defence by pretending to arm....a smarter version of how America beat (beat?) Russia. :nono:
Nonsense. "China" as it exists today is less than half the age of the US, being created in the 30's.

There is wisdom in the notion that we should not be drawn into bankrupting the country in an arms race...after all, that's exactly what we did to the Soviet Union. However, that's never really been a problem for us because we make such fine weaponry that we can easily sell it to other nations, thereby paying for the costs of creating our own arsenal using OPM. The Soviets were far too paranoid and their weaponry was of grossly inferior quality to fund their military from commercial sales, although the AK is selling well. Then again, anybody can build an AK, and the best ones don't even come from Russia.
How Rome fell, selling the enemy the weapons - making money out of arming your enemies. The age of a nation is measured by it's long lived lineages. Rome lasted four hundred years. Then it did the stupid. :nono:
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Scumple wrote:
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Scumple wrote:
piscator wrote:We make hella good bombs.
Must be lonely living with a gun, deriving all your power relations from cold steel? And anyway China is 4000 years old, America 200....put me money where the future is likely to be, after the war. They don't need to do anything, America made a lot of enemies on its rush up the ladder. Maybe keep you spending on defence by pretending to arm....a smarter version of how America beat (beat?) Russia. :nono:
Nonsense. "China" as it exists today is less than half the age of the US, being created in the 30's.

There is wisdom in the notion that we should not be drawn into bankrupting the country in an arms race...after all, that's exactly what we did to the Soviet Union. However, that's never really been a problem for us because we make such fine weaponry that we can easily sell it to other nations, thereby paying for the costs of creating our own arsenal using OPM. The Soviets were far too paranoid and their weaponry was of grossly inferior quality to fund their military from commercial sales, although the AK is selling well. Then again, anybody can build an AK, and the best ones don't even come from Russia.
How Rome fell, selling the enemy the weapons - making money out of arming your enemies. The age of a nation is measured by it's long lived lineages. Rome lasted four hundred years. Then it did the stupid. :nono:
Well, yes, you do have to be careful to whom you sell weapons. Then again that threat is reduced by only selling them generations of weapons that are inferior to those you keep for your own use...plus it's good to add kill switches to some weapons (like aircraft) that can disable the equipment permanently if it gets into the wrong hands.

That's how the Harris PRC148 (MBITR) military radio works. If you don't have a current encryption key, the radio is useless, and after a certain period of time without battery power it automatically wipes all encryption keys. It's easy to do the same with aircraft or other technological weaponry. Not something you can do with a spear or sword however.
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Post by cronus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:14 pm

Second mistake Rome made. Keep it simple or someone who does will. If it can't be repaired by the guy wielding it then don't bother. Weapons don't win wars - strategy does. The tactics guy with a pretty sophisticated piece of kit, you'll find him asleep in that ditch over there. :read:
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Post by cronus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:30 pm

The British Empire lasted as long and spread as by hearts and minds. Listening, thinking it all through. Using weapons was always a sign of defeat, as any good policeman knows. Uncivil by modern standards but given the losers today that is really a matter of debate. :read:
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Scumple wrote:Second mistake Rome made. Keep it simple or someone who does will. If it can't be repaired by the guy wielding it then don't bother. Weapons don't win wars - strategy does. The tactics guy with a pretty sophisticated piece of kit, you'll find him asleep in that ditch over there. :read:
No, you'll find him snoozing as his drone cruises to the target.
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Post by Seth » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:55 am

Scumple wrote:The British Empire lasted as long and spread as by hearts and minds. Listening, thinking it all through. Using weapons was always a sign of defeat, as any good policeman knows. Uncivil by modern standards but given the losers today that is really a matter of debate. :read:
Ah, "hearts and minds." I remember that one. It goes like this, in full: "Put a bullet through their heart and nobody will mind."
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