Pretty much agree with this. The SNPs response to serious challenges like currency union and EU membership has been a combination of bluster, assertion and whining. Do they know the game is up, so it's not worth trying too hard?
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From the above link:
So, what's changed?It is often said, by admirer and critic alike, that Salmond is a man who plays a long game. If that is the case, then what is the long game that has such a reflexive and prominent place for such low-level sneering? To read some commentators, you may think that Salmond has simply tapped in to the Scottish public's view. Maybe that feeling of being talked down to and told off, even bullied, is the feeling that most Scots share this week. Salmond has captured their mood before. So he may do it again.
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Frankly I've been deeply disheartened by the entire quality of the discussion. That article could be criticised for being little more than Salmond Bashing "ya boo he's a stupid smellypants!" which does little to encourage me that either side have a fucking clue and are saying pretty much anything to win votes.
It seems to me that the whole "stay or else your fucked!" threats are as equally off-putting as the dream of the Golden Age of Alba that the other side are peddling.
What it boils down to now is whether the Scottish people are bold enough to take a step into the unknown, because neither side is giving us much but noise. I'm not sure we're bold enough but on the other hand I'm sure we're dumb enough. Ugh, I don't fucking know at this point.
I wish I was as easily convinced as others.
It seems to me that the whole "stay or else your fucked!" threats are as equally off-putting as the dream of the Golden Age of Alba that the other side are peddling.
What it boils down to now is whether the Scottish people are bold enough to take a step into the unknown, because neither side is giving us much but noise. I'm not sure we're bold enough but on the other hand I'm sure we're dumb enough. Ugh, I don't fucking know at this point.
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On the currency question, they tried a shared pound with Ireland, I believe, or at least a pegged pound.
The big differences were that Ireland were not in the EU, and they didn't have a financial sector that was huge in proportion to it's GDP. It lasted for fifty years, but the Irish economy didn't do very well till the link was broken.
If Scotland can't use the pound, it's financial sector will crash. That's why there is no plan B.
The real plan B, if the vote WERE to be yes, is to beg and beg and beg and beg and beg the UK parliament to change it's mind, and promise to be good, and give up all sovereignty over Scottish money. And then to blame everyone else for the fuck-up.
The phrase, ''Independent country'' is a joke, whichever way it goes.
That's not to disparage Scotland. It could of course be a genuinely independent country. But it would be a lot poorer and weaker. We're definitely better together.
The big differences were that Ireland were not in the EU, and they didn't have a financial sector that was huge in proportion to it's GDP. It lasted for fifty years, but the Irish economy didn't do very well till the link was broken.
If Scotland can't use the pound, it's financial sector will crash. That's why there is no plan B.
The real plan B, if the vote WERE to be yes, is to beg and beg and beg and beg and beg the UK parliament to change it's mind, and promise to be good, and give up all sovereignty over Scottish money. And then to blame everyone else for the fuck-up.
The phrase, ''Independent country'' is a joke, whichever way it goes.
That's not to disparage Scotland. It could of course be a genuinely independent country. But it would be a lot poorer and weaker. We're definitely better together.
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Yep, they won't be independent unless they start their own currency, presumably a highly devalued one compared to the Sterling.
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After they lose the referendum I can see the spoilt child becoming as sulky child too. Expect dummies flying out of prams all over the shop.
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I just hope you do the right thing! You know what that is!Thinking Aloud wrote:Hey! I get to vote in September!!!!!
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Vote to become the 51st Merkin state!Rum wrote:I just hope you do the right thing! You know what that is!Thinking Aloud wrote:Hey! I get to vote in September!!!!!
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Bollocks Scotland will collapse financially without the pound. Money is imaginary. If Iceland can hold down a sovereign currency with 300k people I'm damn sure Scotland can manage
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Or they could be the 6th Australian state...Robert_S wrote:Vote to become the 51st Merkin state!Rum wrote:I just hope you do the right thing! You know what that is!Thinking Aloud wrote:Hey! I get to vote in September!!!!!
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Sure, but that's not what the SNP are offering.Azathoth wrote:Bollocks Scotland will collapse financially without the pound. Money is imaginary. If Iceland can hold down a sovereign currency with 300k people I'm damn sure Scotland can manage
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Hermit wrote:From the above link:So, what's changed?It is often said, by admirer and critic alike, that Salmond is a man who plays a long game. If that is the case, then what is the long game that has such a reflexive and prominent place for such low-level sneering? To read some commentators, you may think that Salmond has simply tapped in to the Scottish public's view. Maybe that feeling of being talked down to and told off, even bullied, is the feeling that most Scots share this week. Salmond has captured their mood before. So he may do it again.
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Wait ... I thought Australia already had 6 states.JimC wrote:Or they could be the 6th Australian state...Robert_S wrote:Vote to become the 51st Merkin state!Rum wrote:I just hope you do the right thing! You know what that is!Thinking Aloud wrote:Hey! I get to vote in September!!!!!
They already have the drinking thing down pat...
Is Tasmania about to be cut adrift?
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The Northern Territory is not a state.klr wrote:Wait ... I thought Australia already had 6 states.JimC wrote:Or they could be the 6th Australian state...Robert_S wrote:Vote to become the 51st Merkin state!Rum wrote:I just hope you do the right thing! You know what that is!Thinking Aloud wrote:Hey! I get to vote in September!!!!!
They already have the drinking thing down pat...
Is Tasmania about to be cut adrift?
And what's a Tasmania?
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