The Right tighten the screw that little bit more..

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Bastards

At: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13361130

Redundancy rules could be relaxed, says government


Rules governing levels of compensation for workplace discrimination, and how long firms have to consult staff over job losses, are to be reviewed.

Chancellor George Osborne said that if the government was to support job creation it could not "shy away from looking at difficult issues".

The protection of staff terms and conditions when a firm is transferred to a new owner is also to be reviewed.

Labour said the proposals would make working life less secure.

"George Osborne's only idea for growth is to make it easier to cut pay and pensions, dismiss employees without giving time to plan for the future and make working life more insecure," said shadow business secretary John Denham.

"Successful companies have a workforce that is confident, dedicated and fairly rewarded," he added.

The government says it wants to remove unnecessary bureaucracy within current employment law.

At the moment, firms cannot make more than 100 workers redundant within 90 days of informing them of redundancies.

The Business Department said employers were concerned that this time scale was "hindering their ability to restructure efficiently and retain a flexible workforce".

It added: "Employers in financial difficulty worry about how long they need to keep paying staff after it has become clear that they need to let them go."

On discrimination compensation, it said that while there needed to be remedies, companies had "expressed concern about the high levels of compensation sometimes awarded by employment tribunals".

The Business Department added that employers were concerned that high compensation awards could encourage people "to take weak, speculative or vexation cases in the hope of a large payout".

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Workplace relationships have changed dramatically over the last decade... and it's time the law reflected this”

Katja Hall CBI chief policy director

It said this meant that some employers settled such cases before they went to a tribunal.
'Overdue move'

"If we are to support private sector growth and create jobs, we can't shy away from looking at difficult issues like employment law," said Mr Osborne in a speech to the Institute of Directors' annual convention.

"Examining these areas of the law which could be holding back job creation demonstrates the government's commitment to go for growth."

Unison leader Dave Prentis said: "The Tory review of employment law will hit ordinary working people hard.

"The government is weighting the jobs market heavily in favour of bosses, who will be able to hire and fire their staff at will."

However, the CBI business organisation welcomed the government's announcement, saying the review of employment law was "long overdue".

"Workplace relationships have changed dramatically over the last decade, with employers and employees engaging in a more flexible, personalised way, and it's time the law reflected this," said CBI chief policy director, Katja Hall.

[MarkS]

Typical Fucking Tories. That Osborne looks like a fucking lizard.

[Seth]

So, riddle me this: why should a company that is experiencing a downturn in sales and profits be forced to keep people on the payroll it doesn't need who are simply sucking money from the company for doing nothing productive? Does this not threaten the viability and future existence of the entire company, and therefore the jobs of EVERYONE who works there?

Do you lame-brained socialists ever think past the end of your own self-interest?

[Gallstones]

I don't know why you are surprised, everyone knows it goes righty tighty-----Is this true in the southern hemisphere too?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The rich forget where their money comes from.

[Seth]

The rich forget where their money comes from.

No they don't, it comes from them investing their money building companies and the "means of production" at their own risk and expense, and they justifiably expect to profit from that investment. Without "the rich," nothing gets done, no factories get built, no products get invented and brought to market, no shops get opened to serve the needs of the marketplace and the working class has no work to do. Just look what happened to Glasgow when the ship building industry went out of business and the coal mines shut down because the costs of production were to high to keep them open. Or go ask Castro how well Marxism works. Even Cuba, that paragon of Marxist rectitude is bowing to economic reality and social fact and is authorizing the ownership of private property now. That's the first crack in the dam that will destroy Cuban Marxism root and branch, because when the deprived, enslaved people of Cuba get a taste of capitalism, they will toss the dictators out on their ear, and I hope we help them do it.

Fucking proletarian idiots shit in their own pie plate and then complain when their pie tastes like shit.

Ever wonder why the working class proletarians don't go out and build their own factories and open their own shops? Because they are too fucking stupid to know how to do so, much less be capable of running a successful business, even if someone handed them a big wad of free money. And even those that are smart enough are too afraid of the inherent risks of putting THEIR money on the line to fund a new business venture, of which something like 80 percent fail in the first five years, leaving the investors and owners with nothing but a mountain of debt and bankruptcy staring them in the face. The proletarian workers would much rather get the security of a regular paycheck rather than risk their income on their fellow proletarian drones being able to successfully fund and run a company.

That's why Marxism fails every time it's tried. And Fabian Socialism is no different.

There is nothing whatever stopping the "workers" from owning the "means of production" and running it any way they see fit, except the fact that they don't have the capital to make it happen, and nobody who has the capital is going to invest in a business venture with a bunch of Marxist swine who plan to steal everything from those who paid for it, and the fact that the people who own the capital, and the means of production, decline the invitation to hand over their property and money at the demand of a bunch of working-class drones who are fit only to assemble widgets on a line somewhere in the first place.

Marxism doesn't work because it ignores the fundamentals of economics. And one of those fundamental principles is that no company can survive if it's forced to keep paying for laborers that it doesn't need, to suit some social engineering agenda of a socialist government.

Just look at Boeing. It's spent hundreds of millions building assembly lines for aircraft in South Carolina because it needs new production capacity, and South Carolina is a much more inviting business environment for them. But now, at the behest of Obama and the unions, the NLRB is suing Boeing and trying to force them to shut down the new plant, alleging that Boeing is "punishing" union workers in Seattle by opening new non-union production line in a right-to-work state; South Carolina.

So what if they are? The government has no authority to force a company to do business in any particular state.

If I owned Boeing, I'd say "Fuck you all." and I'd shut down the company entirely, and fire every swinging dick on the line everywhere and dissolve the corporation, take the profits from liquidation and distribute it to the shareholders and leave the unions swinging in the wind, just to stick it to them.

Shit in your pie plate, eat shit union members.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Typical.

[Seth]

Typical.

Economic fact, my man, economic fact. You're living in a delusional state if you think socialism is ever going to allow people to prosper. All it does is drive everyone down into the mire of equalized oppression and privation.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm not talking about socialism, you paranoid fuck, I'm talking about where the rich got their money. You started off with rich people who had money. Begin in the middle much?

Do this, build a factory that is 100% automated. Build all the factories that way. Every plebeian job in the world, done by robots. So, who buys the stuff the factories make?

[Seth]

I'm not talking about socialism, you paranoid fuck, I'm talking about where the rich got their money. You started off with rich people who had money. Begin in the middle much?

Who cares where the rich got their money? It's their money. They can do with it as they please. They can invest it, or spend it (which creates demand and businesses and jobs to fill that demand) or they can burn it in the fireplace to keep warm. None of your fucking business. However, most of them got it from working hard and investing wisely. If they inherited it, they got it because their ancestors worked hard and invested wisely and passed it on to them. It's the fruit of their labor, and they're entitled to it, and they're entitled to pass it on to their descendants to make their lives better.

Most importantly, whatever else it might be, it's absolutely not the property of the seething proletarian masses, who have no claim on it at all, because every stinking, sweaty one of them who worked in a factory producing goods that the "rich" sold to make a profit got a paycheck that represents the fruits of THEIR labor, paid in full, at the end of every pay period. That's what the proletarian working class settles for in lieu of the risks of investing in building and running the "means of production," where if they fuck up managing things, they lose everything, just like the "rich" capitalist does if he backs the wrong horse in the capitalist horse race to economic success. They opt for the safety of a regular, guaranteed paycheck with low economic reward rather than the risks that justify a higher economic reward.

Do this, build a factory that is 100% automated. Build all the factories that way. Every plebeian job in the world, done by robots. So, who buys the stuff the factories make?

Red herring.

[Rum]

Seth's mindset is poisonous.

[Pappa]

Seth, unions and employment rights are not the same thing as socialism. Employment law and rights exist (mostly) to protect the employee from unfair mistreatment. That's not socialism. Unions exist to give employees a collective voice when negotiating with employers. That's not socialism either.

[Rum]

Seth, unions and employment rights are not the same thing as socialism. Employment law and rights exist (mostly) to protect the employee from unfair mistreatment. That's not socialism. Unions exist to give employees a collective voice when negotiating with employers. That's not socialism either.

Yeah but they get in the way of the rich shitting all over the rest of us, which is their natural right!

[redunderthebed]

Seth, unions and employment rights are not the same thing as socialism. Employment law and rights exist (mostly) to protect the employee from unfair mistreatment. That's not socialism. Unions exist to give employees a collective voice when negotiating with employers. That's not socialism either.

Yeah but they get in the way of the rich shitting all over the rest of us, which is their natural right!

Arbeit verbrauchen sterben!

[MrJonno]

No functioning society no private property, if unemployment gets too high you get revolution/social collapse and no one makes any money