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Post by Gonzo » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:05 pm

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The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap ... protesters):
Andres Serrano's Piss Christ has been destroyed by Christian protesters in Avignon, France, after weeks of protests.

When New York artist Andres Serrano plunged a plastic crucifix into a glass of his own urine and photographed it in 1987 under the title Piss Christ, he said he was making a statement on the misuse of religion.

Controversy has followed the work ever since, but reached an unprecedented peak on Palm Sunday when it was attacked with hammers and destroyed after an "anti-blasphemy" campaign by French Catholic fundamentalists in the southern city of Avignon.

The violent slashing of the picture, and another Serrano photograph of a meditating nun, has plunged secular France into soul-searching about Christian fundamentalism and Nicolas Sarkozy's use of religious populism in his bid for re-election next year.

It also marks a return to an old standoff between Serrano and the religious right that dates back more than 20 years, to Reagan-era Republicanism in the US.

The photograph, full title Immersion (Piss Christ), was made in 1987 as part of Serrano's series showing religious objects submerged in fluids such as blood and milk. In 1989, rightwing Christian senators' criticism of Piss Christ led to a heated US debate on public arts funding. Republican Jesse Helms told the senate Serrano was "not an artist. He's a jerk."

Serrano defended his photograph as a criticism of the "billion-dollar Christ-for-profit industry" and a "condemnation of those who abuse the teachings of Christ for their own ignoble ends". It was vandalised in Australia, and neo-Nazis ransacked a Serrano show in Sweden in 2007.

The photograph had been shown in France several times without incident. For four months, it has hung in the exhibition I Believe in Miracles, to mark 10 years of art-dealer Yvon Lambert's personal collection in his 18th-century mansion gallery in Avignon. The show is due to end next month, but two weeks ago a concerted protest campaign began.

Civitas, a lobby group that says it aims to re-Christianize France, launched an online petition and mobilised other fundamentalist groups. The staunchly conservative archbishop of Vaucluse, Jean-Pierre Cattenoz, called Piss Christ "odious" and said he wanted this "trash" taken off the gallery walls. Last week the gallery complained of "extremist harassment" by fundamentalist Christian groups who wanted the work banned in France.

Lambert, one of France's best known art dealers, complained he was being "persecuted" by extremists who had sent him tens of thousands of complaint emails and bombarded the museum with spam. He likened the atmosphere to "a return to the middle ages".

On Saturday, around 1,000 Christian protesters marched through Avignon to the gallery. The protest group included a regional councillor for the extreme-right Front National, which recently scored well in the Vaucluse area in local elections. The gallery immediately stepped up security, putting plexiglass in front of the photograph and assigning two gallery guards to stand in front of it.

But on Palm Sunday morning, four people in sunglasses aged between 18 and 25 entered the exhibition just after it opened at 11am. One took a hammer out of his sock and threatened the guards with it. A guard grabbed another man around the waist but within seconds the group managed to take a hammer to the plexiglass screen and slash the photograph with another sharp object, thought to be a screwdriver or ice-pick. They also smashed another work, which showed the hands of a meditating nun.

The gallery director, Eric Mézil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do". He said there had been a kind of "inquisition" against the art work.

In a statement, he said the movement against Piss Christ had started at the time of President Nicolas Sarkozy's ruling UMP party's controversial debate on religion and secularism in France. At a record low in the polls before next year's presidential election, Sarkozy has been accused of using anti-Muslim and extreme-right rhetoric to appeal to voters and counter the rise of the Front National.

Asked by the daily Libération why the Piss Christ protest had happened now, Mézil pointed to Sarkozy's speech in March lauding "the Christian heritage of France" at Puy-en-Velay, where the first Crusades were preached.

He said: "Clearly we saw in Saturday's demonstration that a Catholic fringe wanted to take the president at his word, with extremely violent appeals." He said there was a climate of tension, with protesters insulting museum staff of north African origin. One guard said he heard: "I'm going to pour donkey piss on the Qur'an." An email to the museum talked about "plunging the diary of Anne Frank in urine".

The French culture minister, Frédéric Mitterrand, condemned the vandalism as an attack on the fundamental freedoms of creation and expression, but recognised that the art work could shock audiences.

The secretary general of Civitas, Alan Escada, told Le Dauphiné Libéré paper: "I don't support or condemn what happened," adding that the attack on the picture "reflects an understandable exasperation" with the museum.

A police complaint has been filed by the gallery and the guards.
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Before sharks swam in formaldehyde, there was Piss Christ. With this work in 1987, Andres Serrano created what is surely the visual manifesto and original prototype of the use of shock in contemporary art.

Other 1980s artists, including Robert Mapplethorpe and Richard Serra, ran into controversy, but Piss Christ is distinguished by its calculated offence and rhetorical nature – the way it sets out to be unmissably outrageous and adopts that offence as part of its meaning.

I mean, it's called Piss Christ and is said to be made using the artist's own urine. It is far more polemical than, say, a Mapplethorpe photograph of sadomasochist rites where the artist portrays what he found beautiful and causes offence almost accidentally. As such, Piss Christ is one of the most influential works of art of the past 30 years, the model for a strategy that has transformed the public impact of art.

Yet the joke on the latest protesters to take Serrano's bait – hey look, Christians, I've urinated on the son of God! – is that Piss Christ works well as a modern work of religious art. I don't know if the curators of the Vatican museum have considered buying a print, but it possesses a richly traditional dimension. The passion of Christ has always been associated with bodily fluids – it is true that artists traditionally stressed blood rather than urine, but they scarcely stinted on the revulsion of Christ's fleshly death.

Piss Christ can be legitimately compared to the horrible sores and green pus on the body of Grunewald's Christ in the Isenheim altarpiece, or painted wooden statues in baroque churches with their lifelike gore and jewelled tears, or Caravaggio's Saint Thomas sticking his finger in Christ's spear wound.

Serrano's crucifix evokes the same kind of popular religiosity Andy Warhol paid homage to in his Last Supper series, another artistic highlight of the 1980s, and just as Warhol was a sincere Catholic, Serrano created a vivid and intense baroque image of the passion. The suffering of Christ is seen through a glass, darkly – or in this case shines through yellow urine, glowing uncannily within the stinking detritus of the body.

There's something in this powerful work of art for everyone. Atheists can savour its insult, Christians can meditate on the victory of the spirit in the humiliation of the flesh. Meanwhile, the easily provoked will never fail to have their anger aroused by a work of art that is spoiling for a fight.
I personally feel that art can serve many purposes and that the outrageous protests and the attack on the piece have done nothing more bring publicity to the work, while unfortunately destroying it, and shows the hypocrisy represented by many who still follow the faith of Christianity today. To call them 'barbarians' is nothing but condecension from the museum owner, these people - however foolish in their actions - are still people. They have the right to be offended and the photograph is meant to be provocative, but to call it blasphemy while simeultaneously wreaking havoc on an inanimate image you disagree with sounds characteristic of one of the seven deadly sins: Wrath. For as long as the religious condemn others in blind self-righteousness, there will be artists who will exploit that weakness for shock value.
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Post by devogue » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:07 pm

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So now instead of Jesus immersed in piss we have Jesus immersed in piss with his fucking face smashed in.

Result!

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Post by Lozzer » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:14 pm

Lol @ fundamentalist affirming art's veracity.
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Post by Gonzo » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:24 pm

Perhaps a photograph of the photograph to be framed is in order?
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Post by Geoff » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:13 pm

The gallery director, Eric Mézil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do".
The perfect response.
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Post by hadespussercats » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:19 pm

Re: "To call them 'barbarians' is nothing but condecension from the museum owner, these people - however foolish in their actions - are still people."

Barbarians are people-- just violent, ignorant people. The appellation seems apt to me.
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Post by Gonzo » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:55 pm

I hate not to have any understanding of 'the others', though, and to call just a few 'barbarians' could lead to further distrust between theists and atheists. I also understand why he used the language he used and agree it is fair. It was private property. I'm still cautious of demonizing 'them' like they might 'us' and could understand the power of symbolism to outrage. Take, for example, the burning of a Quran or a racist caricature, it is an offensive act. This, as shock art, however, is meant to offend the offensive - if you will - and in no way do I wish to justify what they did in response to it. Only to humanize the situation a bit more than had the article which is all 'OFFENSIVE ART - LET'S FIGHT!'.
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Post by Geoff » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:15 pm

Gonzo wrote:I hate not to have any understanding of 'the others', though, and to call just a few 'barbarians' could lead to further distrust between theists and atheists. I also understand why he used the language he used and agree it is fair. It was private property. I'm still cautious of demonizing 'them' like they might 'us' and could understand the power of symbolism to outrage. Take, for example, the burning of a Quran or a racist caricature, it is an offensive act. This, as shock art, however, is meant to offend the offensive - if you will - and in no way do I wish to justify what they did in response to it. Only to humanize the situation a bit more than had the article which is all 'OFFENSIVE ART - LET'S FIGHT!'.
I don't agree with what you posted earlier:
They have the right to be offended...
That Stephen Fry quote (that Coito has in his sig) demonstrates my feelings much more accurately.

Here's the full text from which it was taken:
Stephen Fry wrote:
Youre offended at something you see or hear. So Fucking What???

The question seems flippant at first glance. Even rude. But it is a serious and profound question. You’re feelings are hurt. You’ve chosen to take offence at somebody else’s words. So fucking what?

It’s an offensive world we live in. Deal with it like an adult. You have not been physically harmed. Why should your offence be more important than someone else’s freedom to express themselves?

So. Fucking. What?

Before you picket a theatre, write to your local paper, fire your AK-47 in the air, or call for someone’s head on a plate, ask yourself this question. Can you give an honest and coherent answer, explaining why your personal hurt feelings take precedence over someone else’s freedom?

Because you need to have an answer to this question. And it has to be a good one. Otherwise you will just be dismissed as an irrational, immature cry-baby with an inflated sense of the importance of your own sensibilities.

So. Fucking. What?
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Post by Feck » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:37 pm

[sarcasm]Christians you can't go around calling them Barbarians :nono: no matter how many libraries they burn[/sarcasm]
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Post by devogue » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:41 pm

It’s an offensive world we live in. Deal with it like an adult. You have not been physically harmed. Why should your offence be more important than someone else’s freedom to express themselves?
Although I now fundamentally agree with that, it's interesting that someone like Stephen Fry, who has had well documented mental issues, should contend that physical harm is the only real or valid kind of harm it is possible to cause a person.

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Post by Gonzo » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:46 pm

The offense didn't merit act. You are correct. Again, I am not justifying their behavior, but I could just as easilly see an atheist vandalizing a figure of Christ in a positive light. In fact, that's what Serrano had done. That little plastic crucifix was valuable symbolically to the faith (as much of a money making novelty as it is), but he plunged it in his piss anyway. Why call those who smash it 'babarians' but not the artist's deprecation? It's an interesting double standard I think. Indeed, are YOU not offended by the fact they destroyed the art? Enough, apparently to call the vandal's 'barbarians'. I think it's fair to say there was an offense going both way's - towards each group against eachother. The 2000 year old established religion, and all it's offenses, the artist's response as 'shock art', the reaction to art by the first group. There is veracity to art, as Devo said, and this illustrates it. Were the artist not inspired by the offenses of religion, he would have never created the piece. And, then, I have a bit of a revelation: the artist creates, the vandals destroy. Whish is why there is no justifying what they did, just framing it as another stupid human act in a long line of stupid human acts.

As for taking offense, I consider this dialogue by the character Zossima from The Brother's Karamazov which we're in the middle of reading:
Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself. The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than any one. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill—he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it, and so pass to genuine vindictiveness.'
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Post by hadespussercats » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:47 pm

devogue wrote:
It’s an offensive world we live in. Deal with it like an adult. You have not been physically harmed. Why should your offence be more important than someone else’s freedom to express themselves?
Although I now fundamentally agree with that, it's interesting that someone like Stephen Fry, who has had well documented mental issues, should contend that physical harm is the only real or valid kind of harm it is possible to cause a person.
People being offended by use of the word "fuck" don't make you bipolar.

Photos of a plastic Jesus in a container of piss don't make you bipolar, either.

I for one am glad Stephen Fry recognizes this.
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Post by hadespussercats » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:51 pm

Gonzo wrote:The offense didn't merit act. You are correct. Again, I am not justifying their behavior, but I could just as easilly see an atheist vandalizing a figure of Christ in a positive light. In fact, that's what Serrano had done. That little plastic crucifix was valuable symbolically to the faith (as much of a money making novelty as it is), but he plunged it in his piss anyway. Why call those who smash it 'babarians' but not the artist's deprecation? It's an interesting double standard I think. Indeed, are YOU not offended by the fact they destroyed the art? Enough, apparently to call the vandal's 'barbarians'. I think it's fair to say there was an offense going both way's - towards each group against eachother. The 2000 year old established religion, and all it's offenses, the artist's response as 'shock art', the reaction to art by the first group. There is veracity to art, as Devo said, and this illustrates it. Were the artist not inspired by the offenses of religion, he would have never created the piece. And, then, I have a bit of a revelation: the artist creates, the vandals destroy. Whish is why there is no justifying what they did, just framing it as another stupid human act in a long line of stupid human acts.

As for taking offense, I consider this dialogue by the character Zossima from The Brother's Karamazov which we're in the middle of reading:
Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself. The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than any one. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill—he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it, and so pass to genuine vindictiveness.'
Being offended is different from calling for the repression of offensive viewpoints, or resorting to vandalism.

So far as I know, Serrano owned the religious figure he dunked in pee. It was his object to defile. Theoretically, one of the angry mob of Christians could have bought the photo, then destroyed it. There would have been nothing inherently wrong in doing so, They could even have documented the process in some way, and called it art. Which would also have been valid.

By the by, I'm not sure all theists would appreciate being lumped in with the sort of barbarians who smash gallery exhibits.
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Post by Geoff » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:58 pm

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Gonzo wrote:The offense didn't merit act. You are correct. Again, I am not justifying their behavior, but I could just as easilly see an atheist vandalizing a figure of Christ in a positive light. In fact, that's what Serrano had done. That little plastic crucifix was valuable symbolically to the faith (as much of a money making novelty as it is), but he plunged it in his piss anyway. Why call those who smash it 'babarians' but not the artist's deprecation? It's an interesting double standard I think. Indeed, are YOU not offended by the fact they destroyed the art? Enough, apparently to call the vandal's 'barbarians'. I think it's fair to say there was an offense going both way's - towards each group against eachother. The 2000 year old established religion, and all it's offenses, the artist's response as 'shock art', the reaction to art by the first group. There is veracity to art, as Devo said, and this illustrates it. Were the artist not inspired by the offenses of religion, he would have never created the piece. And, then, I have a bit of a revelation: the artist creates, the vandals destroy. Whish is why there is no justifying what they did, just framing it as another stupid human act in a long line of stupid human acts.

As for taking offense, I consider this dialogue by the character Zossima from The Brother's Karamazov which we're in the middle of reading:
Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself. The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than any one. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill—he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it, and so pass to genuine vindictiveness.'
Being offended is different from calling for the repression of offensive viewpoints, or resorting to vandalism.

So far as I know, Serrano owned the religious figure he dunked in pee. It was his object to defile. Theoretically, one of the angry mob of Christians could have bought the photo, then destroyed it. There would have been nothing inherently wrong in doing so, They could even have documented the process in some way, and called it art. Which would also have been valid.
Correct, IMO - and I don't make any distinction just because it's about religion...I feel the same about, say flag-burning, which I've never understood the merkins getting all het up about.
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