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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:01 pm

I was struck by this article. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1INHVU.DTL
Novella Carpenter took over a vacant lot on a hardscrabble corner of West Oakland eight years ago and turned it into a working farm of vegetables, goats, rabbits and, sometimes, pigs.

Carpenter milked goats, made cheese and ate much of the produce. She also wrote a popular book, "Farm City," about the experience and became an icon of the Bay Area's urban farming movement.

But the future of her Ghost Town Farm is in question. This week, Oakland officials suggested it may need to close. The reason: She sells excess produce and needs a costly permit to do so.

"It seems ridiculous," said Carpenter, 38. "I need a conditional use permit to sell chard?"

The news stunned the region's urban farmers and their supporters, who questioned how a fundamental human task that goes back millennia could become illegal.
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I spit my tea out laughing when I read that last line about the "stunned" group of "urban farmers." They are stunned? Stunned by what? Stunned that a business that sells food to people needs a permit?
"It's incredibly sad that people can't grow food and sell it to folks," said Barbara Finnin, executive director of City Slicker Farms, an Oakland nonprofit that runs produce markets and helps people start their own urban farms.
Bwahahahahahahahahah!!! Yeah - I know - that's what every advocate for the reduction of regulations on small businesses has been saying for decades. What is so "sad" about this? Ought people be allowed to just grow food and sell it to folks without getting proper permits and food licenses? All states require a food license if you're going to sell a product to the public - you need to register and be subject to inspection. What the fuck? Hippies are supposed to be exempted?
The permit would probably cost several thousand dollars, Candell said, and Carpenter also would have to pay penalties for operating without such a license as she is now. Carpenter works about 25 hours per week at the farm and takes in only about $2,500 a year, before expenses.
I mean - really. $2500 a year? What a joke. I am four square in favor of eliminating this silly permit they're talking about. It's just a revenue generator for the city. Maybe this is the way to get rid of these bullshit fees and rules - turn the leftists into capitalists. After all, that's what this lady just became, the first time she sold her food on the open market grown on land she purchased. Evil incarnate, I guess. Selfish bitch. She should be happy to pay whatever it takes, and if she can't make money doing it, well so what. She shouldn't be worrying about her profit.
Carpenter said it has all been a learning experience. After starting out as a "squat farmer," she bought the plot for $30,000 in December. The previous owner sold it to her as a favor.

"It was so great squatting," she said. "I didn't have costs. I was a total renegade doing something totally illegal, but now that I'm a property owner, that's when they actually come down on me.

"I can't fly under the radar and be a punk anymore. I have to actually be an adult and deal with these things."
And, that's the serious does of reality that many people need. When you're finally the one who is actually accountable for doing something, and when you actually try to work within the applicable laws, you "have to be an adult and deal with these things."

Oh - really - you started out "squatting?" I.e. - you started out stealing someone else's property and trespassing?

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Post by Gonzo » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:10 pm

Such a hostile reaction to something so minor. Honestly, 'a selfish bitch'? I don't see the alarm that someone was selling produce without a permit, really, whether or not she was on someone else's property doing it. If the customer decides to buy from her - that's their decision. What exactly are you arguing, anyway? That all regulations and laws should be abided, all permits be bought, everything be licensed? I'm certainly not a libertarian, but I do think some regulations are merely obtuse. Sounds a lot like taxing a lemonade stand to me.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:16 pm

Gonzo wrote:Such a hostile reaction to something so minor. Honestly, 'a selfish bitch'?
I was being ironical. That should have been evident from the tone. Being called selfish, etc., is what business people get called by many on the left. Shouldn't this woman "pay her fair share?" After all, she's running a business - she's one of "the corporations" now...

Gonzo wrote: I don't see the alarm that someone was selling produce without a permit, really, whether or not she was on someone else's property doing it. If the customer decides to buy from her - that's their decision. What exactly are you arguing, anyway? That all regulations and laws should be abided, all permits be bought, everything be licensed? I'm certainly not a libertarian, but I do think some regulations are merely obtuse. Sounds a lot like taxing a lemonade stand to me.
It should have been apparent. I was laughing at the fact that these folks claimed to be "stunned" that they can't just open a produce business without getting the same permit that other produce businesses get.

I think these kind of permit laws are generally stupid and pointless. But, I don't get why a person opening a produce business would think they were exempt? Because they're calling themselves "urban farmers" or something? I mean - what else would they expect? Only the "bad guys" get fined for not having a permit?

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Post by Gonzo » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:19 pm

Ah, sorry. I figured that at first but then took a double take. ._. I was a little afraid there, for a second.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:20 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: What the fuck? Hippies are supposed to be exempted?
Well they're already exempted from personal hygiene...

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:22 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: What the fuck? Hippies are supposed to be exempted?
Well they're already exempted from personal hygiene...

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Aren't they just the "differently hygienic?" :pardon:

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Post by Gonzo » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:23 pm

Those shower permits are costly. Image
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Post by egbert » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:29 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: What the fuck? Hippies are supposed to be exempted?
Well they're already exempted from personal hygiene...

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I didn't know we still had hippies! Thought they were replaced by "Street People" - you know, the seniors and war vets who "fell through the cracks" :funny: :funny: :funny:
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:45 pm

egbert wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: What the fuck? Hippies are supposed to be exempted?
Well they're already exempted from personal hygiene...

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I didn't know we still had hippies! Thought they were replaced by "Street People" - you know, the seniors and war vets who "fell through the cracks" :funny: :funny: :funny:
I don't want them anywhere near my crack, thankyouverymuch! :?
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Post by Warren Dew » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:57 pm

egbert wrote:I didn't know we still had hippies! Thought they were replaced by "Street People" - you know, the seniors and war vets who "fell through the cracks" :funny: :funny: :funny:
They're second generation hippies.

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Gonzo wrote:Such a hostile reaction to something so minor. Honestly, 'a selfish bitch'? I don't see the alarm that someone was selling produce without a permit, really, whether or not she was on someone else's property doing it. If the customer decides to buy from her - that's their decision. What exactly are you arguing, anyway? That all regulations and laws should be abided, all permits be bought, everything be licensed? I'm certainly not a libertarian, but I do think some regulations are merely obtuse. Sounds a lot like taxing a lemonade stand to me.
Let's see... criminal trespassing, fraud, selling produce without a license, evading food safety inspections, evading federal food safety registration reporting requirements, evading sales taxes. Quite a list there, given the fact that San Francisco and California are mired in regulations created at the behest of the liberals, to preserve the "quality of life" in the area.

See, that's the thing...live by the regulatory state, die by the regulatory state.
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Post by Gonzo » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:08 pm

I still don't see how those laws (besides trespassing and fraud - yes that's fair enough) apply to a small operation lead by one person. In fact, I wonder if it would have at all been made an issue if it were on her own property. Lots of people sell produce without a license all over the country.

What I'm shocked by is that something like this is made an issue at all when we live in a world where a giant global conglomerate like General Electric does not only pay no taxes at all, but "b"akes over 3 "b"illion dollars off the real tax payers as a tax credit.

You know? This just isn't the sort of thing I'm worried about.
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Post by hadespussercats » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:11 pm

My sister and her husband lived in Berkeley for ten years while she was at Cal.
She said there's nothing like living in the Bay Area for making a self-identifying liberal take a hard turn to the right.

I imagine it's attitudes like the one here that make her say that.

Why doesn't she just give the food away, and take the charitable deduction? She's clearly not making a profit.
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Post by Seth » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:25 pm

Gonzo wrote:I still don't see how those laws (besides trespassing and fraud - yes that's fair enough) apply to a small operation lead by one person. In fact, I wonder if it would have at all been made an issue if it were on her own property. Lots of people sell produce without a license all over the country.
As well they should. Problem is that the liberals in California, and specifically in San Francisco, have created the administrative monster that controls every aspect of life precisely in order to eliminate any individual liberty to do anything, particularly commerce, without it being "approved" and monitored by a host of government agencies.

Live by the bureaucratic sword, die by the bureaucratic sword.
What I'm shocked by is that something like this is made an issue at all when we live in a world where a giant global conglomerate like General Electric does not only pay no taxes at all, but makes over 3 million dollars off the real tax payers as a tax credit.
Put a "B" instead of an "M" in front of that.
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:26 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: What the fuck? Hippies are supposed to be exempted?
Well they're already exempted from personal hygiene...

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wow, I should become a hippie, I'd save oodles of money on personal care products
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