This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

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This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by sandinista » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:31 pm

Chris Hedges is great, good read here.

This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us
The global economy is built on the erroneous belief that the marketplace—read human greed—should dictate human behavior and that economies can expand eternally. Globalism works under the assumption that the ecosystem can continue to be battered by massive carbon emissions without major consequences. And the engine of global economic expansion is based on the assurance that there will always be plentiful and cheap oil. The inability to confront simple truths about human nature and the natural world leaves the elites unable to articulate new social, economic and political paradigms. They look only for ways to perpetuate a dying system. Thomas Friedman and the array of other propagandists for globalization make as much sense as Charlie Sheen.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/thi ... _20110307/
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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by Wumbologist » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:33 pm

sandinista wrote:Chris Hedges is great, good read here.

This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us
The global economy is built on the erroneous belief that the marketplace—read human greed—should dictate human behavior and that economies can expand eternally. Globalism works under the assumption that the ecosystem can continue to be battered by massive carbon emissions without major consequences. And the engine of global economic expansion is based on the assurance that there will always be plentiful and cheap oil. The inability to confront simple truths about human nature and the natural world leaves the elites unable to articulate new social, economic and political paradigms. They look only for ways to perpetuate a dying system. Thomas Friedman and the array of other propagandists for globalization make as much sense as Charlie Sheen.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/thi ... _20110307/

With or without fossil fuels (the real problem, capitalism and communism aside), the rapid increase of human population will eventually deplete the Earth's resources no matter what economic system we use. Of course, Socialism has had its own way of dealing with population, historically speaking.... :teef:

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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by sandinista » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:36 pm

Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:Chris Hedges is great, good read here.

This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us
The global economy is built on the erroneous belief that the marketplace—read human greed—should dictate human behavior and that economies can expand eternally. Globalism works under the assumption that the ecosystem can continue to be battered by massive carbon emissions without major consequences. And the engine of global economic expansion is based on the assurance that there will always be plentiful and cheap oil. The inability to confront simple truths about human nature and the natural world leaves the elites unable to articulate new social, economic and political paradigms. They look only for ways to perpetuate a dying system. Thomas Friedman and the array of other propagandists for globalization make as much sense as Charlie Sheen.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/thi ... _20110307/

With or without fossil fuels (the real problem, capitalism and communism aside), the rapid increase of human population will eventually deplete the Earth's resources no matter what economic system we use. Of course, Socialism has had its own way of dealing with population, historically speaking.... :teef:
:dunno:
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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by Wumbologist » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:38 pm

sandinista wrote:
:dunno:
Starts with a G, ends with an "enocide". :{D

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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by sandinista » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:40 pm

Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
:dunno:
Starts with a G, ends with an "enocide". :{D
Rwanada? Germany? Vietnam?
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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by Wumbologist » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:45 pm

sandinista wrote:
Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
:dunno:
Starts with a G, ends with an "enocide". :{D
Rwanada? Germany? Vietnam?
Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea.

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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by sandinista » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:47 pm

Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
:dunno:
Starts with a G, ends with an "enocide". :{D
Rwanada? Germany? Vietnam?
Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea.
off topic...soviet union genocide? China genocide? Pol pot socialist? :fp: North Korea socialist :fp:
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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:48 pm

Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
:dunno:
Starts with a G, ends with an "enocide". :{D
Rwanada? Germany? Vietnam?
Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea.
Those don't count, you can't blame the Merkins for them. :mod:
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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by sandinista » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:49 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
:dunno:
Starts with a G, ends with an "enocide". :{D
Rwanada? Germany? Vietnam?
Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea.
Those don't count, you can't blame the Merkins for them. :mod:
no, of course americans are NEVER EVER involved with anything :roll: holy fuck zilla, take your meds.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:50 pm

Tedious little man is tedious.
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Post by Wumbologist » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:54 pm

sandinista wrote:
Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Jörmungandr wrote:
sandinista wrote:
:dunno:
Starts with a G, ends with an "enocide". :{D
Rwanada? Germany? Vietnam?
Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea.
off topic...soviet union genocide? China genocide?

You're right, opposition purges and mass starvation due to failed policy don't count because people are less dead when that happens.
Pol pot socialist? :fp: North Korea socialist :fp:

Different flavor of the same Marxist failure, with all the same basic traits (mass murder, cult of personality, strict authoritarianism).

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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by sandinista » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:03 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Tedious little man is tedious.
boring little old man is booooring. :blah:
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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by Ian » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:32 pm

Chris Hedges has apparently never read a single word of Thomas Friedman. There are few people advocating green technology and warning against the myriad of dangerous downsides to globalization as passionately as him.

"Friedman makes about as much sense as Charlie Sheen", eh? Good one, brah! :teef:

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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by sandinista » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:30 pm

Ian wrote:Chris Hedges has apparently never read a single word of Thomas Friedman. There are few people advocating green technology and warning against the myriad of dangerous downsides to globalization as passionately as him.

"Friedman makes about as much sense as Charlie Sheen", eh? Good one, brah! :teef:
:groan: yah, Friedman is not an advocate and extremist proponent of globalization. :teef:
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Re: This Time We’re Taking the Whole Planet With Us

Post by Ian » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:47 pm

sandinista wrote:
Ian wrote:Chris Hedges has apparently never read a single word of Thomas Friedman. There are few people advocating green technology and warning against the myriad of dangerous downsides to globalization as passionately as him.

"Friedman makes about as much sense as Charlie Sheen", eh? Good one, brah! :teef:
:groan: yah, Friedman is not an advocate and extremist proponent of globalization. :teef:
Oh please! Hell yes he's one of the strongest advocates of the benefits of globalization. More to the point, he articulates the phenomenon of globalization, including its pitfalls, better than anyone I can think of. And I never said otherwise, Sherlock.

Your OP gripes about environmental concerns related to globalization. For starters, you might want to try reading this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot,_Flat,_and_Crowded

A little synopsis:
In the book, Friedman addresses America’s surprising loss of focus and national purpose since 9/11 and the global environmental crisis. He advocates that global warming, rapidly growing populations, and the expansion of the global middle class through produced the convergence of hot, flat, and crowded. The solution to the environmental threat and the best way for America to renew its purpose is linked: take the lead in a worldwide effort to replace wasteful, inefficient energy practices with a strategy for clean energy, energy efficiency, and conservation. This means that the big economic opportunities have shifted from IT (Information Technology) in recent decades to ET (renewable Environmental Technologies).[2] Friedman frequently uses 2050 as a marker for when it will be too late for our world to reverse the harmful effects of climate change.

Friedman writes that the needed green revolution of the title would be more ambitious than any project so far undertaken: It will be the biggest innovation project in American history; and it will change everything from transportation to the utilities industry. This project is described in terms of nation-building.

The book alleges we've gone from the "Cold War Era" to the "Energy-Climate Era", marked by five major problems: growing demand for scarcer supplies, massive transfer of wealth to petrodictators, disruptive climate change, poor have-nots falling behind, and an accelerating loss of biodiversity. A green strategy is not simply about generating electric power, it is a new way of generating national power.[2]

Much of the primary points of the book were built out of his New York Times Magazine essay "The Power of Green"[3] and the "Foreign Policy" article "The First Law of Petropolitics"[4]
In other words, either Hedges doesn't know anything about what Friedman advocates, or else he was just dropping his name to get some recognition for himself. Either way, Hedges is a horse's ass.

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