America must be removed from the "Islamic World."

[Coito ergo sum]

http://www.thenewage.co.za/10953-1020-5 ... d_Khamenei

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Sunday called on Muslims to "remove" the US from the Islamic world.

"The main problem in the Muslim world is the presence of the United States. It is the biggest problem. We need to address that," he told a gathering of Shiite and Sunni scholars in Tehran for an international conference on Islam.

I think the main problem with the Muslim world is Islam. If anything should be removed from the Muslim world, it should be Islam, so that nobody has to be cursed with its horrid stench.

I reject this monstrous priest's suggestion that there even is a "Muslim World." No part of this globe is rightfully possessed or owned by a religion, least of all that filth-ridden sess pit known as Islam.

Just sayin'...

[SPMaximus]

a gathering of shite?

[Seth]

http://www.thenewage.co.za/10953-1020-5 ... d_Khamenei

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Sunday called on Muslims to "remove" the US from the Islamic world.

"The main problem in the Muslim world is the presence of the United States. It is the biggest problem. We need to address that," he told a gathering of Shiite and Sunni scholars in Tehran for an international conference on Islam.

I think the main problem with the Muslim world is Islam. If anything should be removed from the Muslim world, it should be Islam, so that nobody has to be cursed with its horrid stench.

I reject this monstrous priest's suggestion that there even is a "Muslim World." No part of this globe is rightfully possessed or owned by a religion, least of all that filth-ridden sess pit known as Islam.

Just sayin'...

Can you say "Caliphate?"

You do realize that World War III is fermenting in the Middle East, don't you?

When he says "remove" he means "remove" in the same sense that he wants to "remove" all the Jews in Israel.

You'd best be preparing to go to war with Islam, because they are preparing to make war upon you, and everyone else who doesn't submit to the Caliphate.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Can you say "Caliphate?"

You do realize that World War III is fermenting in the Middle East, don't you?

When he says "remove" he means "remove" in the same sense that he wants to "remove" all the Jews in Israel.

You'd best be preparing to go to war with Islam, because they are preparing to make war upon you, and everyone else who doesn't submit to the Caliphate.

[Coito ergo sum]

It just irks me, this "Islamic World" nonsense. We need a bigger movement of folks constantly correcting that there is no such thing as a part of this world that is inherently Islamic. There are parts of the world with lots of Muslims in it, but that doesn't make it "Islamic World" for the same reason that the US and Europe is not "Christian World." We need to stop that crap.

[Seth]

It just irks me, this "Islamic World" nonsense. We need a bigger movement of folks constantly correcting that there is no such thing as a part of this world that is inherently Islamic. There are parts of the world with lots of Muslims in it, but that doesn't make it "Islamic World" for the same reason that the US and Europe is not "Christian World." We need to stop that crap.

If radical Muslims have any say in the matter, the entire planet will be an "Islamic World." You need to understand that there are plenty of radical Muslims out there who believe in the the return of the Twelfth Imam and the establishment of a world Islamic Caliphate, and they are perfectly willing to kill every infidel they come across who refuses to submit to Allah and the Caliphate.

Yes, we absolutely need to stop that crap, but it's not going to be easy at all to do so. I'm perfectly happy to live in harmony with any Muslim who is willing to openly repudiate the Caliphate, the Twelfth Imam, radical Islam, Sharia law and Jihad.

But I expect them to not only openly repudiate those aspects of Islam, I expect them to participate in the extirpation of those aspects, and those who engage in violence to further those aspects, from the face of the earth. After all, "peaceful" Muslims constantly plead their case and say that they aren't radical and that we should be able to coexist peacefully, and yet only on the rarest of occasions do any "peaceful" Muslims, or "peaceful" Muslim religious authorities openly and harshly criticize and repudiate the radical Muslims who are sowing terror and death across the planet.

It's long past time for the "peaceful" Muslims to cleanse THEIR OWN RELIGION of the violent members and violent ideologies of Islam found in their holy books. Until the "peaceful" Muslims stand to and help defend against radical Muslim terrorism, I will consider them to be complicit because their protestations are both weak and they are expressly permitted to lie to our faces by the Quran, because we are unbelieving infidels. Thus, there is absolutely no reason to believe their protestations of "peacefulness," and they are going to have to prove their honest intentions through their actions and self-sacrifice to eliminate the violent aspects of Islam before I'll believe them.

My belief is that "peaceful" Muslims are anything but peaceful, and that they subscribe to all of the above violent and oppressive aspects of Islam, but choose to deliberately conceal their support for Jihad so that they can infiltrate other societies and act as fifth-column spies, saboteurs, and sleeper agents who will rise up and strike when the time is right, as the Koran, and their Imams, direct them to do.

[Gawd]

It just irks me, this "Islamic World" nonsense. We need a bigger movement of folks constantly correcting that there is no such thing as a part of this world that is inherently Islamic. There are parts of the world with lots of Muslims in it, but that doesn't make it "Islamic World" for the same reason that the US and Europe is not "Christian World." We need to stop that crap.

If radical Muslims have any say in the matter, the entire planet will be an "Islamic World." You need to understand that there are plenty of radical Muslims out there who believe in the the return of the Twelfth Imam and the establishment of a world Islamic Caliphate, and they are perfectly willing to kill every infidel they come across who refuses to submit to Allah and the Caliphate.

Yes, we absolutely need to stop that crap, but it's not going to be easy at all to do so. I'm perfectly happy to live in harmony with any Muslim who is willing to openly repudiate the Caliphate, the Twelfth Imam, radical Islam, Sharia law and Jihad.

But I expect them to not only openly repudiate those aspects of Islam, I expect them to participate in the extirpation of those aspects, and those who engage in violence to further those aspects, from the face of the earth. After all, "peaceful" Muslims constantly plead their case and say that they aren't radical and that we should be able to coexist peacefully, and yet only on the rarest of occasions do any "peaceful" Muslims, or "peaceful" Muslim religious authorities openly and harshly criticize and repudiate the radical Muslims who are sowing terror and death across the planet.

It's long past time for the "peaceful" Muslims to cleanse THEIR OWN RELIGION of the violent members and violent ideologies of Islam found in their holy books. Until the "peaceful" Muslims stand to and help defend against radical Muslim terrorism, I will consider them to be complicit because their protestations are both weak and they are expressly permitted to lie to our faces by the Quran, because we are unbelieving infidels. Thus, there is absolutely no reason to believe their protestations of "peacefulness," and they are going to have to prove their honest intentions through their actions and self-sacrifice to eliminate the violent aspects of Islam before I'll believe them.

My belief is that "peaceful" Muslims are anything but peaceful, and that they subscribe to all of the above violent and oppressive aspects of Islam, but choose to deliberately conceal their support for Jihad so that they can infiltrate other societies and act as fifth-column spies, saboteurs, and sleeper agents who will rise up and strike when the time is right, as the Koran, and their Imams, direct them to do.

Funny thing, I can say the same things about Jews and Christians. Except Jews And Christians use missiles and don't have the decency of killing themselves in the process.

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

But I expect them to not only openly repudiate those aspects of Islam, I expect them to participate in the extirpation of those aspects, and those who engage in violence to further those aspects, from the face of the earth. After all, "peaceful" Muslims constantly plead their case and say that they aren't radical and that we should be able to coexist peacefully, and yet only on the rarest of occasions do any "peaceful" Muslims, or "peaceful" Muslim religious authorities openly and harshly criticize and repudiate the radical Muslims who are sowing terror and death across the planet.

Perhaps a little exaggerated, and posed in a rather extreme form (active criticism would be enough, extirpation is OTT), but I agree with the general thrust. Their relative silence speaks eloquently of either their fear of retribution, of being deemed "kaffir", or even worse, an aquiescence to the march of Islam underneath a guise of moderation...

[Atheist-Lite]

If American wants to keep that oil flowing westwards then they need a republican hawk in Washington willing to do the unthinkable. Let's play good cowboys another day - this is survival?

[Robert_S]

I hear the young Iranians are getting rather sick of their highly religious regime.

I'm nervous for the kids in the rest of the nations over there. They might end up throwing off their Shahs just to get Ayatollahs. But that's something the US should just wait and see about. It seems to me that we don't have much to fear from an Islamic Caliphate as long as we keep our science and technology moving forward at a faster clip than they do.

[Rum]

I think we underestimate the desire for something more liberal, in particular in north Africa. I have read that one of the reasons that the Egypt 'revolution' was as peaceful relatively as it was, was due to the fact oat many of the senior generals were educated and trained in the west and picked up ideas to do with democracy in the process.

I am no naive optimist, but the desire for individual freedom of the sort we tend to understand it to be in the 'mature democracies' is a bigger factor than is perhaps accounted for.

Of course it is all up for grabs and I would hate to make predictions at this stage.

[Atheist-Lite]

I think we underestimate the desire for something more liberal, in particular in north Africa. I have read that one of the reasons that the Egypt 'revolution' was as peaceful relatively as it was, was due to the fact oat many of the senior generals were educated and trained in the west and picked up ideas to do with democracy in the process.

I am no naive optimist, but the desire for individual freedom of the sort we tend to understand it to be in the 'mature democracies' is a bigger factor than is perhaps accounted for.

Of course it is all up for grabs and I would hate to make predictions at this stage.

Egypts surgical death squads kept a lid on things this time....

[Seth]

Funny thing, I can say the same things about Jews and Christians. Except Jews And Christians use missiles and don't have the decency of killing themselves in the process.

I'm not aware of any Jewish or Christian suicide squads or plans to institute a world-wide theocracy through the use of violence, but If such people exist, they deserve to be repudiated and reviled as much as radical Muslims.

[Seth]

I think we underestimate the desire for something more liberal, in particular in north Africa. I have read that one of the reasons that the Egypt 'revolution' was as peaceful relatively as it was, was due to the fact oat many of the senior generals were educated and trained in the west and picked up ideas to do with democracy in the process.

I am no naive optimist, but the desire for individual freedom of the sort we tend to understand it to be in the 'mature democracies' is a bigger factor than is perhaps accounted for.

Of course it is all up for grabs and I would hate to make predictions at this stage.

I agree. Egypt was incredibly fortunate that the US trained and armed the Egyptian army. So far, their dedication to their oaths and to protecting the people of Egypt is most heartening. Here's hoping they neither allow a theocracy nor a military dictatorship.

[Atheist-Lite]

Funny thing, I can say the same things about Jews and Christians. Except Jews And Christians use missiles and don't have the decency of killing themselves in the process.

I'm not aware of any Jewish or Christian suicide squads or plans to institute a world-wide theocracy through the use of violence, but If such people exist, they deserve to be repudiated and reviled as much as radical Muslims.

Christian suicide squads just can't find the lions these days, zoos are their only hope really.