Why shoot to kill?

[mistermack]

Why do we accept sheer bullshit from the police, when they kill someone?

We get it time after time, and nobody seems to question it, even when it's there for anyone to see.
The latest example was a lawyer in London, who snapped, and started shooting out of his window with a shotgun. He was clearly suicidal, trying to provoke the police to shoot him. There was a long seige, and eventually, he stood up at the window and lowered his gun, and was fatally shot by about seven marksmen.

My question is why don't they shoot to wound in these situations? This guy had a SHOTGUN, and the police had had many hours to ensure their safety. They were all covered in armour, behind barriers, ( or should have been ). Immediately afterwards they said that they feared for their lives. BULLSHIT!!
Why do the press never question this stuff?
You could shoot one of these guys with a shotgun, from across a street, with all their kit on, and they wouldn't get a scratch.
And they should have been behind a barrier anyway.

Why don't they shoot to wound? Because they blindly follow their TRAINING which is generally military in nature, so of course they shoot to kill.
I don't blame the shooters, they react as they have practised over and over.
I blame the training. Police should not be trained in the same way as soldiers.
Shooting to kill should be a GENUINE last resort, not a PRETENDING last resort, that any fool can see through.

In this case, I don't particularly mourn for this guy, but I feel for his loved ones, and I hate being fed lying bullshit by the police, and can't believe how the press lap it up without question.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

"The first thing we do after the revolution is shoot all the lawyers."

[Tigger]

Fuck him, and anyone else who takes up a gun. I have no sympathy for people who brandish weapons. Anyway, what's a wound? It's not over-effective to "just shoot someone in the leg". Hit the femoral artery and they're dead anyway, and the philosophy is shoot to stop. Unfortunately, in the real world and not the Bruce Willis word of flesh wounds, that probably means kill.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Fuck him, and anyone else who takes up a gun. I have no sympathy for people who brandish weapons. Anyway, what's a wound? It's not over-effective to "just shoot someone in the leg". Hit the femoral artery and they're dead anyway, and the philosophy is shoot to stop. Unfortunately, in the real world and not the Bruce Willis word of flesh wounds, that probably means kill.

"Shoot to wound" is putting some very strange limitations on a person in a high stress situation. Aim for center of mass and fuck the fiddling details.

[Feck]

If you shoot to wound you have a wounded nutcase with a gun ,a hostage nearby ,where would you advise is a safe place to wound someone is anyway?

[Tigger]

If you shoot to wound you have a wounded nutcase with a gun ,a hostage nearby ,where would you advise is a safe place to wound someone is anyway?

Hartlepool. I have a list.

[Tigger]

Some marksmen are particularly good though. Not bad for a cold zero.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you shoot to wound you have a wounded nutcase with a gun ,a hostage nearby ,where would you advise is a safe place to wound someone is anyway?

Troof. If both parties agree to "shoot to wound" I'd love to watch. However, the perps usually aren't under the restraints the police are saddled with.

[mistermack]

Fuck him, and anyone else who takes up a gun. I have no sympathy for people who brandish weapons. Anyway, what's a wound? It's not over-effective to "just shoot someone in the leg". Hit the femoral artery and they're dead anyway, and the philosophy is shoot to stop. Unfortunately, in the real world and not the Bruce Willis word of flesh wounds, that probably means kill.

There's no point in debating a DIFFERENT situation.
I'm saying "why shoot to kill" when they clearly don't need to.
And it's easy to say "Fuck him" when it's not YOUR brother, or son, or friend.
It's easy to be callous about others. Not so easy when it's your own.
This guy WAS stopped, he was in a second floor window.
He couldn't get out. If he tried to, then I would say 'fuck him' myself.
But they KNEW he wanted them to shoot. Why not hit him once in the shoulder?
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[Pappa]

My question is why don't they shoot to wound in these situations?

Because it isn't practical to do so.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Some people have watched way too much fuckin' TV.

[mistermack]

If you shoot to wound you have a wounded nutcase with a gun ,a hostage nearby ,where would you advise is a safe place to wound someone is anyway?

I think tigger's video shows that there are other options. But it's not great logic to say they they should shoot to kill, because he might die if you wound him.
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[mistermack]

My question is why don't they shoot to wound in these situations?

Because it isn't practical to do so.

It was clearly practical to do so.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

My question is why don't they shoot to wound in these situations?

Because it isn't practical to do so.

It was clearly practical to do so.
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How often do you shoot in a combat situation?

[Tigger]

The policy is shoot to stop. It's the same thing. Do you know about shotguns, or are you assuming that as it's just little pellety things they just bounce off stuff?
Non-lethal weapons would be great, but they don't always have a place in real life. Yet.

Anyway, he started it.