Tasmanian politics

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Tasmanian politics

Post by oblivion » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:27 pm

So I know this guy who's running for senator in Tasmania. He's running on a platform of church/state separation and govt policies being based upon reason and science.

Could he stand a chance?

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Post by charlou » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:53 pm

I'd consider voting for him. :tup:
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Post by nellikin » Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:27 am

As much as I wish for him to stand a chance, something tells me he won't get many votes. Maybe one day, our dreams of a secular society based upon reason may actually become a reality. But good on him for running for election - the more people who do stuff like this, the more awareness will grow (possibly).
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Post by darren » Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:22 am

who is it?

federal election I assume?

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Post by Trolldor » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:23 am

Australia is divided by party lines, he'll stand a chance if he can force the public to look past bad habits.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Post by fordo » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:45 am

fucking election, so much for democracy, i tried to register to vote, finally got told the government doesnt want me voting, funny how it still takes my taxes..got told by the electeral cuntmission folk disabled peeps are better off not having a say,awesome.....

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Post by JimC » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:49 am

It depends on whether he gets the two-headed vote, and his stance on repealing the laws against incest...
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Post by oblivion » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:00 am

He's a Secular Party Candidate: Jefff Keogh. Is the Secular Party at all influential nationally? I'm afraid it would be a non-starter in the US. :(

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Post by Rum » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:01 am

fordo wrote:fucking election, so much for democracy, i tried to register to vote, finally got told the government doesnt want me voting, funny how it still takes my taxes..got told by the electeral cuntmission folk disabled peeps are better off not having a say,awesome.....
That has to be wrong. I can't think of a government anywhere which disqualifies disabled people from voting!

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Post by Trolldor » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:39 am

oblivion wrote:He's a Secular Party Candidate: Jefff Keogh. Is the Secular Party at all influential nationally? I'm afraid it would be a non-starter in the US. :(

Secular Party of Australia?

Tell him to resign and to stand as an independant.

I was once a member of the Party, for all of a few months. Whatever irrational hatred and idealism I had as an eighteen year old was completely overturned by the sheer ignorance and pig-headedness of the party.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Post by JimC » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:06 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:
oblivion wrote:He's a Secular Party Candidate: Jefff Keogh. Is the Secular Party at all influential nationally? I'm afraid it would be a non-starter in the US. :(

Secular Party of Australia?

Tell him to resign and to stand as an independant.

I was once a member of the Party, for all of a few months. Whatever irrational hatred and idealism I had as an eighteen year old was completely overturned by the sheer ignorance and pig-headedness of the party.
A leader of that party that I met at a Melbourne atheist meet did not impress me in the slightest...
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Post by Hermit » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:27 am

My opinion of the Secular Party, and the reason for it, can be found here. In so far as Jeff Keogh is a (presumably enthusiastic) member of that outfit, I'd be reluctant to vote for him.
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Post by Trolldor » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:31 am

I think Seraph has perfectly demonstrated, with absolutely no room for misinterpretation or error, what the party is like.


I remember once saying "You can't just call religion a delusion."
There were a number of reasons, but primarily the fact that they were now playing the politics game, and that there were plenty of religious Australians who would still like to see a more secular state.

The reply given was roughly "Thanks to Richard Dawkins, we can call them delusional."
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Post by Hermit » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:51 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:I remember once saying "You can't just call religion a delusion."
There were a number of reasons, but primarily the fact that they were now playing the politics game, and that there were plenty of religious Australians who would still like to see a more secular state.

The reply given was roughly "Thanks to Richard Dawkins, we can call them delusional."
Looks like the party is consistently laughable. It certainly is in no need of detractors from the outside to ensure its lack of appeal to the electorate.

I'll be surprised if it got anywhere near the senate vote that the Australian Democrats achieved in 2007 (1.3%, down from 12.6% in 1990).
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Post by JimC » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:55 am

Seraph wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:I remember once saying "You can't just call religion a delusion."
There were a number of reasons, but primarily the fact that they were now playing the politics game, and that there were plenty of religious Australians who would still like to see a more secular state.

The reply given was roughly "Thanks to Richard Dawkins, we can call them delusional."
Looks like the party is consistently laughable. It certainly is in no need of detractors from the outside to ensure its lack of appeal to the electorate.

I'll be surprised if it got anywhere near the senate vote that the Australian Democrats achieved in 2007 (1.3%, down from 12.6% in 1990).
I just wish that there was a fucking party I feel comfortable voting for...

Could have been the Greens, but they are so far away with the pixies and new-age woo it isn't funny...

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