2012 US Election -- Round 2

[Coito ergo sum]

What the fuck, people???

http://washingtonexaminer.com/philly-go ... le/2512714

Republicans blocked from and even physically pushed out of Philadelphia polling places, forced to get a court order that they be allowed back in.

Black Panthers intimidating voters.

And, they've got Obama murals hanging on the walls in there.

What the fuck?

[Ian]

Out of all the problems we're seeing on the Republican side -not just one polling place but at the state secretary level and higher- you're choosing to gripe about that?

Yes, that looks like a WTF. Now, put down the Washington Examiner and slowly back away.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

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[Coito ergo sum]

Out of all the problems we're seeing on the Republican side -not just one polling place but at the state secretary level and higher- you're choosing to gripe about that?

Yes, that looks like a WTF. Now, put down the Washington Examiner and slowly back away.

I'm waiting for you guys to post similar stuff about Republicans throwing democrats out of polling places and hanging Republican banners in the polling places.

Most of the stuff you guys bring up is either conjecture or generalized gripes, like "they reduced the number of early voting days." I mean - regardless of the number of voting days, it's still the same for everybody. It's not fraud or intimidation. There only has to be ONE election day. Anything more than that is extra days. Just because there were 14 days one year doesn't mean reducing it to 8 days is some sort of irregularity.

But, go ahead -- be specific -- what is it that you think I ought to be focusing on.

You keep harping on what "I" choose to focus on. Note -- you guys have no shortage of pro-Obama folks around here to post all sorts of stuff. Why aren't YOU posting incidents from both sides. You harp on whether I am being fair, but I'm merely posting the other side of the coin. You guys claim the Republicans are engaged in intimidation at the polls, but you cite no examples. I look up on the googles examples of intimidation at the polls, and the only one out there is by Democrats against Republicans.

[amused]

This chart has been around a while. At 12-18 months after the start of the 2007 recession is about when Obama takes over, and the economy is still in freefall at that point. There is simply no way that a president or the government at large can affect that. Both parties fed the bubble and both are responsible, so blaming Obama for not immediately fixing it is not reasonable.

[Coito ergo sum]

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ST. PETERSBURG— A Barack Obama campaign worker helped an undercover journalist register to vote for the president in Florida despite her expressed intention to vote in another state, video reviewed by Watchdog.org shows.

Casting more than one ballot in the same election is a violation of federal and state statutes. Experts said helping someone violate election law is also a crime and could be prosecuted under conspiracy laws.

The video, produced by independent journalist James O’Keefe, also shows Democratic activists in New York helping register an undercover reporter who says he wants to vote twice — in Minnesota and in New York.

http://watchdog.org/58553/fl-video-show ... d-florida/

But the most arresting footage shows an Organizing for America staffer in the group’s Houston office providing a video journalist with an application to request a Florida absentee ballot, even though the journalist has made it clear she also intends to vote in Texas.

In response, the campaign worker seems to suggest that the legal problem of voting in two states is less important than the practical problem of what to say if you’re caught voting twice: “Come up with like, if anyone checks, say, ‘I don’t know.’

I'll see you, and raise you a Democrat alleged quadruple voter -- http://www.therightscoop.com/voter-frau ... ction-day/

[Coito ergo sum]

This chart has been around a while. At 12-18 months after the start of the 2007 recession is about when Obama takes over, and the economy is still in freefall at that point. There is simply no way that a president or the government at large can affect that. Both parties fed the bubble and both are responsible, so blaming Obama for not immediately fixing it is not reasonable.
]

Thank you for admitting that it has not been fixed.

By the way, 4 years is not "immediate."

If, however, we intend to use "not immediately" to mean "not in four years," I hope that the same definition will be applied by you folks in relation to any non-Obama Presidency on the horizon. If any, that is (I've already predicted an Obama victory, so I'm not suggesting Romney will win).

[Gerald McGrew]

Remember those "internal polling numbers" the Romney camp claimed to have that painted such a rosy picture for him? Turns out they're bullshit (imagine that)...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ele ... post-15538

[amused]

This chart has been around a while. At 12-18 months after the start of the 2007 recession is about when Obama takes over, and the economy is still in freefall at that point. There is simply no way that a president or the government at large can affect that. Both parties fed the bubble and both are responsible, so blaming Obama for not immediately fixing it is not reasonable.
]

Thank you for admitting that it has not been fixed.

By the way, 4 years is not "immediate."

If, however, we intend to use "not immediately" to mean "not in four years," I hope that the same definition will be applied by you folks in relation to any non-Obama Presidency on the horizon. If any, that is (I've already predicted an Obama victory, so I'm not suggesting Romney will win).

Given where it was when Obama took over, 4 years would have been pretty fast, and close to immediate. It's on the upswing now, so either candidate will have the luxury of claiming to be responsible for fixing it in the next four years, just by being lucky enough to be in office when the economy recovers on its own. It's just the timing of the cycle and who is lucky enough to be in office at any given time.

[Coito ergo sum]

This chart has been around a while. At 12-18 months after the start of the 2007 recession is about when Obama takes over, and the economy is still in freefall at that point. There is simply no way that a president or the government at large can affect that. Both parties fed the bubble and both are responsible, so blaming Obama for not immediately fixing it is not reasonable.
]

Thank you for admitting that it has not been fixed.

By the way, 4 years is not "immediate."

If, however, we intend to use "not immediately" to mean "not in four years," I hope that the same definition will be applied by you folks in relation to any non-Obama Presidency on the horizon. If any, that is (I've already predicted an Obama victory, so I'm not suggesting Romney will win).

Given where it was when Obama took over, 4 years would have been pretty fast, and close to immediate. It's on the upswing now, so either candidate will have the luxury of claiming to be responsible for fixing it in the next four years, just by being lucky enough to be in office when the economy recovers on its own. It's just the timing of the cycle and who is lucky enough to be in office at any given time.

Of course! There is always a reason it only cuts one way!

But, as far as the economic condition, Obama had it easier than Reagan. In 1980, inflation reached up to 13.5%! In 1980, the prime rate was 20% (it was 3.35% in 2009). Reagan inherited a recession that had unemployment already at like 9%-10% along with that. It was the trifecta of shitty economic indicators. The 30 year mortgage rate in 1980-81 was about 18% (unheard of in 2009, when it was still under 5%). Real gasoline prices in 1981 in 2008 dollars was $3.45 per gallon. In 2009, the price was like $1.90. The economy Reagan inherited in 1981 was in many ways worse than the 2009 economy, and he wasn't given the luxury to blame Carter.

[Red Celt]

Time to get in an international monitoring committee, in order to oversee the U.S. elections, countering voting fraud and rigged voting stations. They usually stick to 3rd World countries, but there's always exceptions to the norm.

[Ian]

Time to get in an international monitoring committee, in order to oversee the U.S. elections, countering voting fraud and rigged voting stations. They usually stick to 3rd World countries, but there's always exceptions to the norm.

They're one step ahead. I hope they do some good.
http://www.allgov.com/news/us-and-the-w ... ews=846026
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/26 ... raud-group

[Red Celt]

Time to get in an international monitoring committee, in order to oversee the U.S. elections, countering voting fraud and rigged voting stations. They usually stick to 3rd World countries, but there's always exceptions to the norm.

They're one step ahead. I hope they do some good.
http://www.allgov.com/news/us-and-the-w ... ews=846026
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/26 ... raud-group

Wow. And I was joking.

[Gerald McGrew]

Voters report problems with long lines, confusion over voter ID law

There were reports of problems with long voting lines, partisans handing out literature and confusion with the voter ID law across the state as voters headed to the polls on Election Day Tuesday.

An Allegheny County judge issued an order to halt electioneering outside a polling location in Homestead.

County officials received a complaint shortly before 10 a.m. Tuesday that Republicans outside a polling location on Maple Street in Homestead were stopping people outside the polls and asking for identification.

The order states: “Individuals outside the polls are prohibited from questioning, obstructing, interrogating or asking about any form of identification and/demanding any form of identification from any prospective voter.”

Allegheny County Common Pleas Judge Guido A. DeAngelis, one of two judges overseeing Elections Court, issued the order and said such actions by partisans “could have a chilling effect” on voting.

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/2904 ... z2BSai8do7

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

Of course they're cheating. It's how they work.

I hope they are - otherwise they would have wasted a lot of money.