Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

[Warren Dew]

I guess this is what passes for journalism these days.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -king.html

America can only dodge so many racial bullets, and a not-guilty verdict in this case could very easily turn the racial cold war into a very hot one.

A guilty verdict could result in violence from whites that felt disenfranchised by the government, too. Let's not forget that the Oklahoma city bombing killed three times as many people as the Los Angeles riots did.

[kiki5711]

if zimmerman does end up in prison for any length of time at all, he's dead meat, unless he's placed in a special cell where nobody can get to him.

[Tyrannical]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... 5FbBtXujTq

A new photograph obtained exclusively by ABC News showing the bloodied back of George Zimmerman's head, which was apparently taken three minutes after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, gives possible credence to his claim that Martin had bashed his head against the concrete as Zimmerman fought for his life.

[kiki5711]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... 5FbBtXujTq

A new photograph obtained exclusively by ABC News showing the bloodied back of George Zimmerman's head, which was apparently taken three minutes after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, gives possible credence to his claim that Martin had bashed his head against the concrete as Zimmerman fought for his life.

yup, definitely a credible "source".

The person who took the photograph of a bloodied Zimmerman, asking not to be identified, told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it.

[Tyrannical]

Bail set, 150K, gps monitoring, possibly can go out of State. That's pretty lenient for murder 2, Judge must think the evidence is weak.

[kiki5711]

Bail set, 150K, gps monitoring, possibly can go out of State. That's pretty lenient for murder 2, Judge must think the evidence is weak.

well, unless he flees the country or wears make up and a wig, he's a walking target where ever he goes. He's safer hiding somewhere.

[Warren Dew]

Bail set, 150K, gps monitoring, possibly can go out of State. That's pretty lenient for murder 2, Judge must think the evidence is weak.

Or the judge thinks he's a small flight risk, which would make sense since he's cooperated all along and turned himself in when charged.

[kiki5711]

Bail set, 150K, gps monitoring, possibly can go out of State. That's pretty lenient for murder 2, Judge must think the evidence is weak.

Or the judge thinks he's a small flight risk, which would make sense since he's cooperated all along and turned himself in when charged.

That's highly unlikely. Anyone can put up an act of "puppy face" innocence and cooperation, especially since he's been portrayed in the medial as a monster. He knows that the law is his safest way to stay alive.

[Seth]

Railroad toward a ten year plea to avoid race riots without any concern of real guilt

Exactly. There is a dead kid, because of that loony. He should get what he deserves.
Ten years is an insult.

Trayvon Martion was not a "kid," he was a strapping teenager who appears to have made a very bad decision to attack an armed man. The more evidence that comes out, the more it looks like Zimmerman's story is absolutely true.

[Seabass]

If 140 lbs is "strapping", then at 195, I'm the incredible hulk. I was around 140 when I started high school at age 13, and I was considered scrawny.

[Tyrannical]

If 140 lbs is "strapping", then at 195, I'm the incredible hulk. I was around 140 when I started high school at age 13, and I was considered scrawny.

Trayvon played HS football so he obviously knew how to hit and tackle.

[Warren Dew]

Bail set, 150K, gps monitoring, possibly can go out of State. That's pretty lenient for murder 2, Judge must think the evidence is weak.

Or the judge thinks he's a small flight risk, which would make sense since he's cooperated all along and turned himself in when charged.

That's highly unlikely. Anyone can put up an act of "puppy face" innocence and cooperation, especially since he's been portrayed in the medial as a monster. He knows that the law is his safest way to stay alive.

I guess Tyrannical's reason must be right, then.

[amused]

None of these details matter. Zimmerman will most likely escape criminal charges because the law is so vague.

I'm hopeful that the civil case will end up getting the SYG law overturned or severely modified so that it is clear that anyone who pursues and confronts cannot use the SYG law as a defense. Under that outcome, Zimmerman would have (did, IMO) initiated the crime when he stepped out of his truck, armed, and pursued and created an unnecessary confrontation that resulted in a dead kid.

I'm also hopeful that the civil case will result in a multi-million dollar judgement against Zimmerman that sends a message to the libertardian wanna-be vigilantes that they will pay for the rest of their lives if they follow in Zimmerman's footsteps.

[FBM]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... 5FbBtXujTq

A new photograph obtained exclusively by ABC News showing the bloodied back of George Zimmerman's head, which was apparently taken three minutes after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, gives possible credence to his claim that Martin had bashed his head against the concrete as Zimmerman fought for his life.

Why not post the pic? If it's real, it's relevant.

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[Coito ergo sum]

None of these details matter. Zimmerman will most likely escape criminal charges because the law is so vague.

His defense appears to be self-defense, and not "stand your ground."

I'm hopeful that the civil case will end up getting the SYG law overturned or severely modified so that it is clear that anyone who pursues and confronts cannot use the SYG law as a defense. Under that outcome, Zimmerman would have (did, IMO) initiated the crime when he stepped out of his truck, armed, and pursued and created an unnecessary confrontation that resulted in a dead kid.

Stand your ground law won't possibly be overturned in a civil case. It's not unconstitutional. Zimmerman's defense probably won't even rely on SYG. It's standard self defense.

We'll see if the prosecution even alleges that Zimmerman "pursued and confronted." Moreover, there won't ever be an exception to self-defense that would say that you can't defend yourself because you walked up to somebody and said "hey, what are you doing here in this neighborhood." What many of you are alleging Zimmerman did -- it's not illegal. If Zimmerman and Martin are both allowed to be there, they are both allowed to ask each other questions. They can even walk in the same direction, and it's not even unlawful for Zimmerman to follow Martin, or vice versa.

I'm also hopeful that the civil case will result in a multi-million dollar judgement against Zimmerman that sends a message to the libertardian wanna-be vigilantes that they will pay for the rest of their lives if they follow in Zimmerman's footsteps.

Sounds kind of shrill and hyper-emotional. If Zimmerman can show he acted in self-defense, even if he followed Martin he is not guilty and there will be no successful civil action for wrongful death.