Unarmed teen shooting: the debate rages on...

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:03 pm

kiki5711 wrote:
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Tero wrote: But Z was in fact a gun nut. Clue: gun nuts solve "problems" with a gun.
Depends on the problem. For example, my outboard has been difficult to start after running for a while. I used socket wrenches, screwdrivers, crescent wrenches and a pair of pliers. New fuel filters, plugs and a carb adjustment did the trick. I will admit I thought about shooting the recalcitrant bitch a couple of times, though. Fucking 2 strokes.

However, if confronted by a home intruder I'd probably use the 12 gauge and leave the sockets in the garage.
:funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

Honest to Christ, there are some creatively clever bastards here. This place is always good for some genuine laughs :hehe:
I have about 12 swords around the house, (my husband's and my hobby) some bigger than others, some hanging as decoration on our walls. I wonder if I would be quick enough to grab one to defend myself with it? A few are quite heavy too, but all I'd need is one good jab and they're gone.
Paranoid sword nut!

What reason do you have to have 12 swords? No good reason that I can see. Hobby? Pshaw! Only a nut would have such a hobby. We should make sure we steer really clear of you....

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Post by kiki5711 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:16 pm

Paranoid sword nut!

What reason do you have to have 12 swords? No good reason that I can see. Hobby? Pshaw! Only a nut would have such a hobby. We should make sure we steer really clear of you....
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yea, actually we have quite a beautiful collection we found over the years. I think there's a pic here somewhere of two of them. I'll see if I can find it.

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Post by Svartalf » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:20 pm

kiki5711 wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
laklak wrote:
Tero wrote: But Z was in fact a gun nut. Clue: gun nuts solve "problems" with a gun.
Depends on the problem. For example, my outboard has been difficult to start after running for a while. I used socket wrenches, screwdrivers, crescent wrenches and a pair of pliers. New fuel filters, plugs and a carb adjustment did the trick. I will admit I thought about shooting the recalcitrant bitch a couple of times, though. Fucking 2 strokes.

However, if confronted by a home intruder I'd probably use the 12 gauge and leave the sockets in the garage.
:funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

Honest to Christ, there are some creatively clever bastards here. This place is always good for some genuine laughs :hehe:
I have about 12 swords around the house, (my husband's and my hobby) some bigger than others, some hanging as decoration on our walls. I wonder if I would be quick enough to grab one to defend myself with it? A few are quite heavy too, but all I'd need is one good jab and they're gone.
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Re: Unarmed teen shooting: the debate rages on...

Post by kiki5711 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:33 pm

Svartalf wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
laklak wrote:
Tero wrote: But Z was in fact a gun nut. Clue: gun nuts solve "problems" with a gun.
Depends on the problem. For example, my outboard has been difficult to start after running for a while. I used socket wrenches, screwdrivers, crescent wrenches and a pair of pliers. New fuel filters, plugs and a carb adjustment did the trick. I will admit I thought about shooting the recalcitrant bitch a couple of times, though. Fucking 2 strokes.

However, if confronted by a home intruder I'd probably use the 12 gauge and leave the sockets in the garage.
:funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

Honest to Christ, there are some creatively clever bastards here. This place is always good for some genuine laughs :hehe:
I have about 12 swords around the house, (my husband's and my hobby) some bigger than others, some hanging as decoration on our walls. I wonder if I would be quick enough to grab one to defend myself with it? A few are quite heavy too, but all I'd need is one good jab and they're gone.
Fencing or SCA?

I don't know what SCA is, but these are not for fencing. they're more like King Arthur's sword in the stone type and other various weapons of that kind.

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Post by maiforpeace » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:29 pm

Zimmerman's Bail Revoked

By Gary W. Green, AP

George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing an unarmed black teen, may be sitting in jail until at least next year now that his bail has been revoked.

George Zimmerman appears before Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester during a bond hearing in Sanford, Fla.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester ordered Zimmerman back to jail Friday during an afternoon court hearing. Zimmerman, who has been staying in an undisclosed location since he was released on bail April 23, has until Sunday at 2:30 p.m. to turn himself in.

His trial may not happen until 2013, his lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said.

Lester revoked the bond after a motion by the state prosecutor accused Zimmerman and his wife of lying to the court about their financial assets during his initial bond hearing April 20.

They said they had no money during that hearing, but Zimmerman and his wife had access to at least $135,000 that he raised through a website he set up before his bond hearing, the judge said.

Trayvon Martin was talking on his cell phone when he was shot and killed in February.

"They were well aware of the money available," Lester said. "Mr. Zimmerman can't sit back and let his wife testify falsely … nor can he allow his attorney to stand up and make misrepresentations."

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26. He told police he shot him in self-defense after the teen repeatedly knocked his head to the ground. Martin's family says Zimmerman racially profiled the teen and confronted him as he walked home from a convenience store.

Assistant state prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda argued in Friday's hearing that Zimmerman and his wife discussed the money raised through the website in multiple recorded conversations while Zimmerman was in jail and before his bond hearing.

He said Zimmerman spoke in shorthand to elude officers listening to the call, referring to $15,000 as "15" and $100,000 as "100."

"The defendant just sat there as his wife lied under oath," de la Rionda said. "The defendant wife's lied to this court when both Mr. O'Mara and the state asked her questions, when she stated she had no money.

"The defendant and his wife were very deceptive in the actions they took before this court," he said.

O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, argued that the judge should consider how his client spent the money, on rent and living expenses, not whether he knew about the money.

"How they use the money is relevant," O'Mara said in his argument to Lester.

He called the issue an "innocent misunderstanding rather than a deviant intent to hide money from you."

The money was transferred to a defense fund run by a third party, O'Mara said.

Lester interrupted him, arguing that how Zimmerman spent the money had nothing to do with him acting as if he didn't know anything about it during the bond hearing.

O'Mara did not explain why Zimmerman did not say he knew about all the money he collected. O'Mara has said the account raised about $200,000.

Lester seemed most concerned about phone calls between Zimmerman and his wife while he was in jail that showed they knew of the tens of thousands of dollars he collected. The judge said Zimmerman and his wife talked about using the money to pay for his bond.

In one of the conversations, according to the state's motion, Zimmerman tells his wife, Shelly, "If the bond is more than 15, pay the 15."

Prosecutors said Zimmerman did not surrender a second passport, but the judge dismissed that concern, comparing it to losing a driver's license, applying for a new one, then finding the old one.

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the family of Trayvon Martin, said everything Zimmerman says is suspect.

"His credibility is greatly in question," he said after the hearing.

The judge also ruled Friday to publicly release more documents related to the case. The prosecutor's office has tried to keep key evidence, including statements Zimmerman gave police and cellphone records for Zimmerman and Martin, sealed.
A real honest, straight up kind of guy. :roll:

Makes you wonder what he's made up if he is willing to take the chance to lie to a judge about his assets.
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Post by kiki5711 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:55 pm

I'm thinking it more of his lawyer's idea. You know he was thinking of his "fees" first and formost. Now both of them look stupid. Especially zimm's lawyer.

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Post by Warren Dew » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:11 am

If it had actually been in a defense fund, as it is now, then what Zimmerman did would have been perfectly okay. The issue is that Zimmerman didn't know enough about the legalities to set it up as a defense fund when he opened the web site, so the prosecutor could argue that it was his personal money.

I don't think the defense attorney knew about the money when bond was set, though when he found out about it I'm sure he was thinking of his fees.

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Post by kiki5711 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:14 am

Warren Dew wrote:If it had actually been in a defense fund, as it is now, then what Zimmerman did would have been perfectly okay. The issue is that Zimmerman didn't know enough about the legalities to set it up as a defense fund when he opened the web site, so the prosecutor could argue that it was his personal money.

I don't think the defense attorney knew about the money when bond was set, though when he found out about it I'm sure he was thinking of his fees.
It's hard for me to believe that once you know a website is set up for your legal fund, and the money starts pouring in, that zimm or anyone in his family, especially his father, didn't question how that money can be used. Wouldn't you do that? Even if was only a 1,000? I'm wondering if zimm's lawyer is having a hard time making decisions due to zimm's father interfering thinking he knows better? I'm curious though, when did his attorney find out about the money? Did he do his job to keep on top of everything that's going on in order to protect his client?

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Post by Tero » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:18 pm

I am so bored with the Zimmermans of the USA. Here is my last word on this particular nut.
http://teroreport.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... ghbor.html

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Post by kiki5711 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:41 pm

Tero wrote:I am so bored with the Zimmermans of the USA. Here is my last word on this particular nut.
http://teroreport.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... ghbor.html
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Post by mistermack » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:43 am

Does George Zimmerman suffer from Jackson's disease in reverse?
He appears to be turning black at an alarming rate.
Also, the doctor should have another look at his "two black eyes" as they seem to be getting worse, not better.

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Post by FBM » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:27 am

Tero wrote:I am so bored with the Zimmermans of the USA. Here is my last word on this particular nut.
http://teroreport.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... ghbor.html
I just hope this thread lasts until the trial is over. Whoever wins, the shitstorm of 'I told you so! I told you so!' will be hilarious! :mrgreen:
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Post by Hermit » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:36 am

FBM wrote:
Tero wrote:I am so bored with the Zimmermans of the USA. Here is my last word on this particular nut.
http://teroreport.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... ghbor.html
I just hope this thread lasts until the trial is over. Whoever wins, the shitstorm of 'I told you so! I told you so!' will be hilarious! :mrgreen:
Hilarious alright. Someone has already mentioned in this thread that if Zimmerman gets found guilty, the verdict will have been a political rather than legal one. If he is found not guilty, there'll be a hue and cry about miscarriage of justice.

Going by what I read so far, I predict that the case will be dismissed on grounds of insufficient evidence.
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Post by FBM » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:39 am

Hermit wrote:
FBM wrote:
Tero wrote:I am so bored with the Zimmermans of the USA. Here is my last word on this particular nut.
http://teroreport.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... ghbor.html
I just hope this thread lasts until the trial is over. Whoever wins, the shitstorm of 'I told you so! I told you so!' will be hilarious! :mrgreen:
Hilarious alright. Someone has already mentioned in this thread that if Zimmerman gets found guilty, the verdict will have been a political rather than legal one. If he is found not guilty, there'll be a hue and cry about miscarriage of justice.

Going by what I read so far, I predict that the case will be dismissed on grounds of insufficient evidence.
The odds seem pretty good to me that you'll be right. No matter what happens, it will be quite a while before the dust settles...
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Post by mistermack » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:52 am

FBM wrote:
Tero wrote:I am so bored with the Zimmermans of the USA. Here is my last word on this particular nut.
http://teroreport.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... ghbor.html
I just hope this thread lasts until the trial is over. Whoever wins, the shitstorm of 'I told you so! I told you so!' will be hilarious! :mrgreen:
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