Trump: Obama Was for ‘Open Borders’ – Also, His Immigration Policies Were the Same As Mine
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The Trump administration’s “family separation” policy put conservatives in a tight spot. Republicans can defend subjecting adult “illegals” to cruel and unusual punishment without breaking a sweat. But the party of “family values” found it decidedly more difficult to rationalize the torture of tender-age children, no matter their immigration status. Thus, the Evangelical right finally discovered the limits of its self-abasement, and came out against the policy. Other conservatives cast about for an “anti-anti-family separation” argument — which is to say, for a means of attacking liberal opposition to the practice without actually defending family separation, itself.
And Democrats promptly provided them with one: On Twitter, progressives began circulating heart-rending images of migrant children trapped in cages — without realizing that those photos were taken when Barack Obama was still president. Conservatives pounced. Trump himself denounced the dishonesty of Democrats who tried to blame him for his predecessor’s cruelty. Reactionaries started poring over the more draconian side of Obama’s immigration record. Soon, they were resurfacing years-old, left-wing critiques of that record — including a piece I had written in January 2016 on the Obama administration’s mishandling of unaccompanied child migrants.
Conservatives found great satisfaction in decrying Democrats’ (often genuine) hypocrisies on immigration policy. In fact, they found that activity so satisfying, they completely forgot that Donald Trump’s entire presidential campaign proceeded from the premise that Barack Obama had refused to enforce America’s borders, and that this had created a crisis of illegal immigration (that Trump, alone, could fix).
And Trump forgot this along with them. On Monday, the president tweeted, “Such a difference in the media coverage of the same immigration policies between the Obama Administration and ours. Actually, we have done a far better job in that our facilities are cleaner and better run than were the facilities under Obama. Fake News is working overtime!”
It is important to note that Trump’s claim here is false. While there is some overlap between this administration’s policies and those of its predecessor, the Obama White House never tried to deter asylum seekers by separating them en masse from their children.
But the broader problem with Trump’s tweet is that it’s completely irreconcilable with virtually everything else he’s ever said about immigration policy in the United States. “Countless Americans who have died in recent years would be alive today if not for the open border policies of this administration,” Trump lamented in September 2016. Just last week, Trump denounced the “extremist open-border Democrats” — and argued that the party wanted “illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13,” because they see MS-13 gang members as “potential voters!”
So: Democrats do not believe in the nation-state, and want to maximize illegal immigration to the United States for their own political benefit — and, also, the last time Democrats held the White House, they implemented the “same immigration policies” as Trump, except that the Democrats weren’t as nice to child migrants.
In recent days, several pundits have argued that Democrats should give Trump most of what he wants on immigration, for the sake of placating his nativist base. But that argument presumes that Trump’s base is concerned with the realities of American immigration policy, as opposed to the thrill of “owning the libs,” and putting nonwhite Americans in their place. Conservatives’ mutually contradictory critiques of Barack Obama’s immigration record suggest that this simply isn’t the case.
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This guy's bullshit is so comically transparent, I just can't wrap my head around how so many continue to fall for it.
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He is something for 42; defining poverty in the USA. More book fiddling.
Trump administration claims only 250,000 Americans live in extreme poverty, despite UN estimates of 18m
Trump administration claims only 250,000 Americans live in extreme poverty, despite UN estimates of 18m
Once again it is all based on surveys not facts.US ambassador calls UN report 'politically motivated,' while expert says US estimate is a 'total joke'
The Trump administration has said the United Nations is overestimating the number of Americans in “extreme poverty” by about 18.25 million people, reflecting a stark disagreement about the extent of poverty in the nation and the resources needed to fight it.
In May, Philip Alston, special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights for the UN, published a report saying 40 million Americans live in poverty and 18.5 million Americans live in extreme poverty.
But rebuking the report on Friday, US officials told the United Nations Human Rights Council there only appear to be approximately 250,000 Americans in extreme poverty, calling Mr Alston’s numbers “exaggerated”.
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Finnish man my age (but hates Finland and all government ) was all fired up because ”Trump is going to win Nov.”
No president has gained seats in midterm!
Me to him:
It’s just not going to happen. Democrats might be disappointed to gain only 10 seats and none in the senate.
Read the gallup polls instead of Fox and Wall street jrnl.
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Imagine this scenario: In November’s elections for the U.S. House, Democrats win the national House vote by a few percentage points and gain nearly 20 additional House seats,The relationship between the national House vote and how many seats change hands is inexact, but this scenario is plausible.
....by both winning open seats and defeating some longtime GOP incumbents. In the Senate, Democrats pick up Nevada; win races in states President Trump carried in 2016, including in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and West Virginia; and only narrowly lose in the GOP strongholds of Indiana, Missouriand Tennessee.
That sounds like a pretty good night for Democrats. But it wouldn’t be. That scenario would leave Republicans with a majority of, say, 222-213 in the House and a 51-49 advantage in the Senate.
No president has gained seats in midterm!
Me to him:
It’s just not going to happen. Democrats might be disappointed to gain only 10 seats and none in the senate.
Read the gallup polls instead of Fox and Wall street jrnl.
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Imagine this scenario: In November’s elections for the U.S. House, Democrats win the national House vote by a few percentage points and gain nearly 20 additional House seats,The relationship between the national House vote and how many seats change hands is inexact, but this scenario is plausible.
....by both winning open seats and defeating some longtime GOP incumbents. In the Senate, Democrats pick up Nevada; win races in states President Trump carried in 2016, including in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and West Virginia; and only narrowly lose in the GOP strongholds of Indiana, Missouriand Tennessee.
That sounds like a pretty good night for Democrats. But it wouldn’t be. That scenario would leave Republicans with a majority of, say, 222-213 in the House and a 51-49 advantage in the Senate.
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Trump staffed court decides to ban Muslims!
In her fiery dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused the majority of “blindly accepting the Government’s misguided invitation to sanction a discriminatory policy motivated by animosity toward a disfavored group, all in the name of a superficial claim of national security.”
Keith Ellison, deputy chairman of the Democratic National Committee and a candidate to be Minnesota’s attorney general, attacked the decision as running contrary to American values.
“Today’s decision undermines the core value of religious tolerance on which America was founded,” he said in his statement. “I am deeply disappointed that this ruling gives legitimacy to discrimination and Islamophobia.”
In her fiery dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused the majority of “blindly accepting the Government’s misguided invitation to sanction a discriminatory policy motivated by animosity toward a disfavored group, all in the name of a superficial claim of national security.”
Keith Ellison, deputy chairman of the Democratic National Committee and a candidate to be Minnesota’s attorney general, attacked the decision as running contrary to American values.
“Today’s decision undermines the core value of religious tolerance on which America was founded,” he said in his statement. “I am deeply disappointed that this ruling gives legitimacy to discrimination and Islamophobia.”
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Court supports anti-abortion scam centers
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Q: Who will be exempted from the travel ban?
A: Anyone with a valid tourist or terrorist visa.
Q: Wait, didn’t Trump say America’s federal courts are weak and unjust?
A: Sure, except when they’re strong and fair!
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A: Anyone with a valid tourist or terrorist visa.
Q: Wait, didn’t Trump say America’s federal courts are weak and unjust?
A: Sure, except when they’re strong and fair!
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I guess he didn't mean it quite as harshly as it sounded.Forty Two wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:49 pmFederal judge rebukes Mueller team for questionable tactics: http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/38 ... le-tactics
Judge denies Manafort's request to dismiss case in Virginia
In a long-awaited ruling, federal Judge TS Ellis on Tuesday denied Paul Manafort's request to dismiss the financial criminal charges he faces in Virginia.
Manafort had argued special counsel Robert Mueller had no authority to bring the case, because it was not related to his work for the 2016 Trump campaign, and Ellis expressed his own frustrations with the special counsel's probe in a hearing on the request.
Still, Ellis certified that Manafort's case will continue to move toward a late July trial.
"This case is a reminder that ultimately, our system of checks and balances and limitations on each branch's powers, although exquisitely designed, ultimately works only if people of virtue, sensitivity, and courage, not affected by the winds of public opinion, choose to work within the confines of the law," Ellis wrote Tuesday.
"Let us hope that the people in charge of this prosecution, including the Special Counsel and the Assistant Attorney General, are such people," Ellis added. "Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions."
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Wise words.
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Another Trump "accomplishment"! Crying children make America great!

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None of this is happening:
Trump said he was getting other countries to reduce and eliminate tariffs and trade barriers, and to open up markets.
(Like what country?
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A group from Harley-Davidson met Trump at the White House last year.
“When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high,” Trump tweeted. “Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!”
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Trump said he was getting other countries to reduce and eliminate tariffs and trade barriers, and to open up markets.
(Like what country?

A group from Harley-Davidson met Trump at the White House last year.
“When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high,” Trump tweeted. “Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!”
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Where's Trump manufacturing his ranges of branded products these days?
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if it's in the US, my name is Emmanuel Macron and I'm posting from the Elysée Palace
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Dictatorship next
Abortion rights in 'dire, immediate danger' as Anthony Kennedy retires
Abortion rights in 'dire, immediate danger' as Anthony Kennedy retires
Potential nominees shortlisted by Trump are believed to be jurists who would overturn the landmark decision Roe v Wade
The US supreme court legalized abortion in 1973. Now, 45 years later, activists say the departure of the court’s moderate, Justice Anthony Kennedy, represents the most direct threat to reproductive freedom since abortion was legalized.
Pro-choice advocates said Kennedy’s retirement represents a “dire, immediate danger” to women’s reproductive freedom. Though the supreme court is not expected to rule on abortion matters in the near future, all of the potential nominees shortlisted by the Trump administration are believed to be jurists who would overturn the landmark decision, Roe v Wade, given the opportunity.
“Today, Justice Kennedy announced his retirement, and because President Trump will nominate the next supreme court justice, a woman’s constitutional right to access legal abortion is in dire, immediate danger – along with the fundamental rights of all Americans,” said Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.
“Our country faces a moment of deep crisis – a crisis of rights, of values and of leadership,” she said. “The deeply-divided decisions from the supreme court this week are a clear warning that our most cherished values are in jeopardy, and now hang in the balance. Women will not go back to the days when abortion was illegal in this country.”
Anti-abortion activists, meanwhile, described Kennedy’s retirement as a turning point in the movement.
“Justice Kennedy’s retirement from the supreme court makes a pivotal moment for the fight to ensure every unborn child is welcomed and protected under the law,” said Susan B Anthony List president Marjorie Dannenfelser.
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how long will it take to possibly repair the damage of the trump SCOTUS nominations? 20 years, 40, 50?
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