Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

[Coito ergo sum]

You'll need to make your non-sarcastic comments less ridiculous then. It's hard to tell them apart, a la Poe's Law.

Neighborhood watch, contrary to what you seem to think, is just people who live in the neighborhood who want to contribute to making it safe for everyone's kids to play. They aren't generally speaking nutbags and murderers. They're good people of varying shades.

do you really think it was necessary to point that out? I mean, come on? you talk like we're all stupid. the above IS pretty obvious to everyone, but I guess you don't think so.

Your comments in the past have been vary negative toward neighborhood watches, with the definite implication that you think the neighborhoods are racist and the watchpersons are crackpot gun nuts. So, it did not appear to be "obvious" to you. Witness the way you addressed the fact that Zimmerman was some sort of "captain" of the neighborhood watch. That was portrayed as some sort of an indication that he was up to no good.

OMG! do you like to play the "twister" game? What in the holy name of god are you talking about? Did you even read what I wrote before you started typing the response?

Of course I read your words. But, given you OMG comment above, can I conclude that you think the small town gated communities are not racist? You did call them that before, remember? And, you think that being the captain of a neighborhood watch is just a fine thing to do? Maybe I misunderstood you - you tell me -- what's your view of neighborhood watch captains? Favorable?

[FBM]

Who frkn cares? magistrate, judge, asshole? the point was and IS that zimmerman was known to the police "hence his many calls regarding suspicious people in his neighborhood". You are the one that snips and cuts the words to your liking, omitting the real facts.

Speaking of...

The article stated, “Zimmerman called police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011 to report
disturbances, break-ins, windows left open and other incidents.” This works out to an average of
more than one call to the police every ten days. The widely repeated figure makes Zimmerman
appear to be an unbalanced man.
When a log of calls was published by the Daily Beast, however, it was discovered that the
reported calls went back to 2004 — that is, they occurred over eight years instead of one.
Moreover, many of the calls were not made to 911 but to a police non-emergency number,
because they concerned minor issues such as loud parties or potholes. Of the 46 reported calls, 16
were about suspicious activity, with the last two being about Trayvon.Of the 14 non-Trayvon
calls about suspicious activity, 8 made no mention of race. This account of Zimmerman's phone
reports may indicate overzealousness as a member of the neighborhood watch, but it does not
point to psychological instability or racism.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com1204d.pdf

[Coito ergo sum]

Who frkn cares? magistrate, judge, asshole? the point was and IS that zimmerman was known to the police "hence his many calls regarding suspicious people in his neighborhood". You are the one that snips and cuts the words to your liking, omitting the real facts.

Who cares? Anyone interested in the facts. Being a "magistrate" in Virginia means nothing to a cop in Florida. They likely wouldn't even get out of a speeding ticket in Sanford for being a Virginia magistrate.

You said, I thought, that Zimmerman's "judge" father was well known to the police. Didn't you say that? Please clarify.

George Zimmerman was, of course, known to the police, as all neighborhood watch leaders would be. They are most effective when working closely with local police. Who in the world would think he wouldn't be known to the police.

And, as for cutting and snipping words - bullshit. YOU only quoted the false NBC 911 audiotape, and YOU relied on that false transcript in your argument. On the other hand, I went and posted the entire thing from end to end. Twice. To make sure that we're looking at the correct transcript.

You don'[t even CARE about the real facts. You allege his father was a "judge" because that obviously, at first blush unexamined, would give the false impression that Zimmerman's dad had clout in the community and clout over law enforcement. A quick search revealed the vapidity of that allegation, as well as many of your other statements and declarations.

Remember when you were saying Zimmerman ignored the instructions of the dispatcher? You claimed you were relying on the 911 tape. When I posted the 911 tape transcript in full, it became clear that he did follow the instructions given there. You then switched up your argument, and started relying on stuff outside the 911 tape to allege that later, after the 911 tape ends, he ignored the dispatcher's earlier instructions and went after Martin.

[Coito ergo sum]

Who frkn cares? magistrate, judge, asshole? the point was and IS that zimmerman was known to the police "hence his many calls regarding suspicious people in his neighborhood". You are the one that snips and cuts the words to your liking, omitting the real facts.

Speaking of...

The article stated, “Zimmerman called police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011 to report
disturbances, break-ins, windows left open and other incidents.” This works out to an average of
more than one call to the police every ten days. The widely repeated figure makes Zimmerman
appear to be an unbalanced man.
When a log of calls was published by the Daily Beast, however, it was discovered that the
reported calls went back to 2004 — that is, they occurred over eight years instead of one.
Moreover, many of the calls were not made to 911 but to a police non-emergency number,
because they concerned minor issues such as loud parties or potholes. Of the 46 reported calls, 16
were about suspicious activity, with the last two being about Trayvon.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com1204d.pdf

It's every fact-issue in this case seems to be skewed and slanted against Zimmerman unjustifiably and unnecessarily.

Why inflate this call figure? Why wouldn't it just be reported properly in the first place?

[FBM]

The title of the article is "Manufacturing Racism?" There's profit in them thar hills of fiction, seems.

[kiki5711]

Who frkn cares? magistrate, judge, asshole? the point was and IS that zimmerman was known to the police "hence his many calls regarding suspicious people in his neighborhood". You are the one that snips and cuts the words to your liking, omitting the real facts.

Speaking of...

The article stated, “Zimmerman called police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011 to report
disturbances, break-ins, windows left open and other incidents.” This works out to an average of
more than one call to the police every ten days. The widely repeated figure makes Zimmerman
appear to be an unbalanced man.
When a log of calls was published by the Daily Beast, however, it was discovered that the
reported calls went back to 2004 — that is, they occurred over eight years instead of one.
Moreover, many of the calls were not made to 911 but to a police non-emergency number,
because they concerned minor issues such as loud parties or potholes. Of the 46 reported calls, 16
were about suspicious activity, with the last two being about Trayvon.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com1204d.pdf

It's every fact-issue in this case seems to be skewed and slanted against Zimmerman unjustifiably and unnecessarily.

Why inflate this call figure? Why wouldn't it just be reported properly in the first place?

CAn't you see that IT IS THE SAME THING you are doing against martin? Exactly the same thing.

[FBM]

Not that I can tell. CES seems to be addressing the available evidence logically and without prejudice. Only those with prejudice (from both ends of the spectrum) find fault with what he's saying, in the sense that they object to him not participating in their bias. AFAICT, CES would be defending Martin if the reporting of the evidence were so slanted/twisted/spun against him.

[Coito ergo sum]

CAn't you see that IT IS THE SAME THING you are doing against martin? Exactly the same thing.

I don't believe it is. Because I have not manufactured anything about Martin at all.

If you think I have gotten a fact wrong, please, by all means be specific and identify it. I've been specific about the things you have posted which have turned out to be false. So, if you want to accuse me of doing the same thing,then please let me know what it is, exactly, that you feel I have posted that is false.

[Coito ergo sum]

Not that I can tell. CES seems to be addressing the available evidence logically and without prejudice. Only those with prejudice (from both ends of the spectrum) find fault with what he's saying, in the sense that they object to him not participating in their bias. AFAICT, CES would be defending Martin if the reporting of the evidence were so slanted/twisted/spun against him.

That is my intent. If I got something wrong, I am more than willing to be enlightened.

[mistermack]

The americans are giving away their unconscious prejudice on this thread.

If you're half black, and half white, you're regarded as black. Why aren't you regarded as white?

If you're half hispanic and half white, you're regarded as hispanic. Why not white?

It seems that to be seen as WHITE requires racial purity.

Seig Heil !!!

[mistermack]

That is my intent. If I got something wrong, I am more than willing to be enlightened.

[Coito ergo sum]

The americans are giving away their unconscious prejudice on this thread.

If you're half black, and half white, you're regarded as black. Why aren't you regarded as white?

I don't know. But, it's not "American" unconscious prejudice. That's pretty normal a view of it among black people, including those with one black and one white parent. Most of those with mixed parents consider themselves to be black.

If you're half hispanic and half white, you're regarded as hispanic. Why not white?

Ask the half white and half Hispanic people. They generally consider themselves to be Hispanic.

It seems that to be seen as WHITE requires racial purity.

Seig Heil !!!

Apparently so. But, I reject the notion that this is somehow specific to the US.

[Coito ergo sum]

That is my intent. If I got something wrong, I am more than willing to be enlightened.

Go for it. What have I gotten wrong here?

Put your money where your smug, self-satisfied mouth is.

[FBM]

The americans are giving away their unconscious prejudice on this thread.

If you're half black, and half white, you're regarded as black. Why aren't you regarded as white?

If you're half hispanic and half white, you're regarded as hispanic. Why not white?

It seems that to be seen as WHITE requires racial purity.

Seig Heil !!!

You're making the same point I was making. Obama has a white mother, but is called black. Zimmerman has a hispanic mother but is called white. Total bullshit in both instances. But if you look at Obama, he looks like a black guy. If you look at Zimmerman, he looks like a hispanic guy. Which point is relevant to the case at hand? Zimmerman's pedigree or his appearance? Did the police on the scene know his pedigree? No, I rather think not. Did they look at him? I'd find it hard to believe otherwise.

[mistermack]

You're making the same point I was making. Obama has a white mother, but is called black. Zimmerman has a hispanic mother but is called white. Total bullshit in both instances. But if you look at Obama, he looks like a black guy. If you look at Zimmerman, he looks like a hispanic guy. Which point is relevant to the case at hand? Zimmerman's pedigree or his appearance? Did the police on the scene know his pedigree? No, I rather think not. Did they look at him? I'd find it hard to believe otherwise.

Not to me they don't.
Obama looks half-caste to me. It's not a difficult concept.
Zimmerman looks white to me. I still haven't mastered the concept of HIspanic being a race.

The only ones I know are white, black and Chinese Asian. With all the rest being blends of the others.
And even that's nothing to do with racial purity, just extremes of appearance.