Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the street

[mistermack]

At the end of the day, the responsibility for everything lies with the voters in a free country.

If people feel strongly enough about immigration, they should vote UKIP. Because there is no other party in this country that has the slightest intention to rein it in.

In fact, the economy is now so top heavy, with inflated house prices, that without continued and growing immigration, there will be a property price crash and a fairly serious recession.

That's why the Tories, in spite of their lying election pledge to reduce immigration to the "tens of thousands" actually are chalking up the highest levels in history, at a third of a million per annum.

To any sensible voter, it should be absolutely clear that there is no prospect of a Tory government reducing immigration, not matter what they promise. And Labour and the Liberals are probably a worse bet.

The problem is, that the longer they inflate this bubble, the bigger the "pop" when the bubble bursts. That's why I'm voting Leave, and voting UKIP at the next elections. Even though I'm far to the left of them on most things.

[JimC]

So, mm, you are making a political response to the issue. I may not agree with your reasoning, but it is via the ballot box, rather than murder, which is clearly Seth's solution to any issue...

[mistermack]

So, mm, you are making a political response to the issue. I may not agree with your reasoning, but it is via the ballot box, rather than murder, which is clearly Seth's solution to any issue...

Murder is a fairly extreme political measure. But very effective, down through the ages.
The French chopped off a lot of heads to achieve their revolution. And it wouldn't have lasted, if they hadn't.
Our Royal Family are only where they are because of innumerable murders. God knows who would be on the throne now, without all the murders.

And of course, Stalin did his bit.
And they killed John F Kennedy, and Bobby, and Martin Luther King. Who knows what the world would be like now, without those murders?

Personally, I'd like to see a reduction in the killings, with maybe just our current royal family bumped off, and a republic put in it's place.

I would happily make the guillotine, and pull the lever.
But it's a waste bumping off minor labour MPs. Very possibly counter-productive in this case.

[JimC]

Murder is no longer part of the normal political process in civilised countries. We have moved on from barbarity.

[mistermack]

Murder is no longer part of the normal political process in civilised countries. We have moved on from barbarity.

True. We in civilised countries reserve our barbarity for foreigners, who are unlucky enough to live in a country that we disagree with.

And we do it legally, by voting to do it, and safely for us, at long range with missiles.
In civilised countries.

[Seth]

Murder is no longer part of the normal political process in civilised countries. We have moved on from barbarity.

Self-evidently that is untrue. And nobody's saying assassination is part of the "normal political process." By definition it's an extreme reaction to an extreme political situation where, in the mind of the assassin, the normal political processes have broken down and tyranny and despotism have taken over.

[Seth]

Fuck off, Seth...

No, you fuck off.

[Seth]

So, mm, you are making a political response to the issue. I may not agree with your reasoning, but it is via the ballot box, rather than murder, which is clearly Seth's solution to any issue...

This is a lie and you know it, and therefore it qualifies as a personal insult. Suspend yourself forthwith.

[devogue]

It is an utter nonsense to call it treason, which should be reserved for serious crimes like selling defence secrets to an enemy nation. She has a particular political stance on immigration that you disagree with. This does not make her, or anyone else with the same stance, a traitor. Otherwise, anybody and everybody that someone disagrees with politically can be called a traitor, which is patently absurd.

It's more than having a "particular political stance" though. She was a member of a political elite that has formed a consensus of righteousness, a political climate of newspeak and thoughtcrime, a climate in which moderate discussion of important issues like over-immigration is slammed as racist and not what "right thinking" people do. They have slammed nationalism to the point where it is a bad word and nothing good can come of a population proud of its history, heritage, ancestors, shared traits and sense of fair play. They are the ultimate fifth column, quietly but relentlessly hollowing out a nation at the behest of a larger, alien, supranational institution - it's as treacherous as it gets.

[JimC]

She was not even a member of the government, for fucks sake! You can make your arguments against a particular viewpoint, but you have gone to a very dangerous place by implying that being murdered is a reasonable consequence to having a particular stance...

[devogue]

She was not even a member of the government, for fucks sake! You can make your arguments against a particular viewpoint, but you have gone to a very dangerous place by implying that being murdered is a reasonable consequence to having a particular stance...

Where did I say it was a reasonable consequence?

There is now a centre left/centre right political consensus within the UK that has been built by major politicians, business and media figures ably supported (and it eventually will be led) by apparatchiks like Jo Cox and her husband. This consensus has severely diminished UK sovereignty and intends to keep it diminished while foisting seriously reckless levels of immigration on to the existing population. As I said, these are the actions of a fifth column, they are treacherous actions.

Do I want these people physically injured or murdered? No, I don't, but I am absolutely within my rights to call them as I see them without being described as dangerous, volatile, lunatic or any of the other terms now being sprayed across the Remainist British media as they browbeat the population in to line with gushing prose about the martyrdom of St Jo.

[Tyrannical]

Making a martyr of someone rarely seems to advance the killers agenda. Unless there are a lot of killers killing lots of people.

[Strontium Dog]

...a climate in which moderate discussion of important issues like over-immigration is slammed as racist and not what "right thinking" people do.

It's the belief that we are undergoing over-immigration that is wrongheaded, as is the belief that immigration is a negative to be suffered rather than an enormous positive to be harnessed.

Not to mention that if your immediate thought is to tell people that they can't live on one part of the planet because they were born on another part of the planet, then you are a massive racist and/or xenophobe.

Nation states and borders are an evil to be done away with, not something to desperately cling on to. Thank goodness for organisations like the EU, who will help speed us towards the promised land of a world without borders, a world where everyone can be free to go wherever, travel whenever, be whoever and live however the fuck they want without authorities to tell them that they cannot.

[Tyrannical]

Stop trying to get Seth banned strontium dog lol

[pErvinalia]

Murder is no longer part of the normal political process in civilised countries. We have moved on from barbarity.

Self-evidently that is untrue. And nobody's saying assassination is part of the "normal political process." By definition it's an extreme reaction to an extreme political situation where, in the mind of the assassin, the normal political processes have broken down and tyranny and despotism have taken over.

As MM said, there is a party that people could vote for if they hate immigration so much. Hardly an "extreme situation".