Trump is an asshole, but......

[pErvinalia]

Regarding Canada, what do you think banning Canadian Muslims from coming in will do to US-Canadian international relations (not to mention the same with all other western countries)? I know you'll bluster on about "Merca rah rah rah! We can do what we want". But this is a real-politic issue. Surely even you can grasp the importance of real-politic?

[pErvinalia]

What orifice are you pulling all this from?? The question asked of Trump was specifically US CITIZENS.

I don't think so. But even if true he still corrected the issue, which is what counts.

What do you mean "I don't think so"?? Can you not read? I highlighted and enlarged it in the quote.

[Seth]

What orifice are you pulling all this from?? The question asked of Trump was specifically US CITIZENS.

I don't think so. But even if true he still corrected the issue, which is what counts.

What do you mean "I don't think so"?? Can you not read? I highlighted and enlarged it in the quote.

No, you enlarged the text of what his spokesperson said Trump said. Hearsay. The jury will disregard rEv's statement.

[pErvinalia]

So why is she still his spokeswoman if she is allegedly making shit up? And I was referring to the question that was asked of Trump. It SPECIFICALLY said "US Citizens". You're still moving goalposts and introducing red herrings as per your history. I put it to you, your Honour, that you are off yer meds.

[Seth]

So why is she still his spokeswoman if she is allegedly making shit up?

She didn't make it up, she misunderstood what he said, and I don't know why she still works for him, because she shouldn't.

And I was referring to the question that was asked oh Trump. It SPECIFICALLY said "US Citizens". I put it to you, your Honour, that you are off yer meds.

You care to provide a link to what you claim is the source please?

[pErvinalia]

So why is she still his spokeswoman if she is allegedly making shit up?

She didn't make it up, she misunderstood what he said, and I don't know why she still works for him, because she shouldn't.

You are literally just pulling shit out of your arse. The evidenced quote is there. Everything else is conjecture you've made up to suit your "argument". Nothing's changed here, I see.

And I was referring to the question that was asked oh Trump. It SPECIFICALLY said "US Citizens". I put it to you, your Honour, that you are off yer meds.

You care to provide a link to what you claim is the source please?

Care to read the thread? WTF do you think we've been discussing for the last few pages??

[Seth]

So why is she still his spokeswoman if she is allegedly making shit up?

She didn't make it up, she misunderstood what he said, and I don't know why she still works for him, because she shouldn't.

You are literally just pulling shit out of your arse. The evidenced quote is there. Everything else is conjecture you've made up to suit your "argument". Nothing's changed here, I see.

And I was referring to the question that was asked oh Trump. It SPECIFICALLY said "US Citizens". I put it to you, your Honour, that you are off yer meds.

You care to provide a link to what you claim is the source please?

Care to read the thread? WTF do you think we've been discussing for the last few pages??

Not your shite, that's for sure.

Here's the original source:

​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump Source (Emphasis added)

The emphasized language says "entering the United States." Clearly that does not apply to American citizens who are not "entering" but are "re-entering" their own country. The rational inference to be drawn from the specific language and the bulk of the document is that he was referring to Muslim immigration and entry by foreigners, not American citizens.

And here's a report on the update:

December 07, 2015, 04:30 pm
Trump calls for 'shutdown' of Muslims entering US

By Ben Kamisar

Republican presidential front-­runner Donald Trump called Monday for a blanket ban on all Muslims entering the United States, further stoking an incendiary debate spurred by recent mass shootings carried out by terrorists in Paris and Southern California.

Trump, in a formal statement from his campaign, urged a “total and complete shutdown” of all federal processes allowing followers of Islam into the country until elected leaders can “figure out what is going on.”

Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”

During a Tuesday morning interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," however, Trump clarified that American Muslims would still be able to travel freely under his plan.
"If a person is a Muslim and goes overseas and come back, they can come back. They are a citizen, that is different," Trump said. (article continues)

And he cleared up any ambiguity on Tuesday.

So, your quote-mining expedition has failed again.

[pErvinalia]

You really are out of yer tree. You been arguing with me for pages about a quoted link I provided pages ago, but you haven't even read it! Un-fucking-beleivable! You're going back on ignore. You are incapable of honest debate.

[Seth]

You really are out of yer tree. You been arguing with me for pages about a quoted link I provided pages ago, but you haven't even read it! Un-fucking-beleivable! You're going back on ignore. You are incapable of honest debate.

Heh. I provide the authoritative original source material right from the Trump campaign to debunk your argument and you're bitching that I won't poke your strawman instead?

Get a life, rEv.

[mistermack]

Just to make it absolutely clear what a load of bollocks rEv's tantrum is, my OP states :

He's onto a winner with the "ban muslims from coming" thing.

It DOESN'T say, "and with banning American Muslims from returning from abroad" or anything remotely like it. Nothing hinted, implied, or even suggested. So yet again rEv has got his fact from up his ass.

He then goes on to say, midday WEDNESDAY,

You obviously haven't swatted up on this issue very well. He wants to ban American muslims from returning as well. That would seem to pretty seriously contravene the Constitution.

When Donald Trump, ACCORDING TO rEv's OWN POST, made it clear on TUESDAY MORNING that :

American Muslims would still be able to travel freely under his plan.

"If a person is a Muslim and goes overseas and come back, they can come back. They are a citizen, that is different," Trump said.

So on WEDNESDAY, rEv is stating as fact, that Trump wants to ban American Muslims from returning, . When Trump made it absolutely clear that he was not proposing that, on TUESDAY.

And rEv accuses ME of not swotting up on the issue.

rEv, you are funny.

[pErvinalia]

dig dig dig.... You don't stop. You didn't realise that his original proposal was to ban all Muslims including US citizens. Anything other than that is just you digging. I was the one who told about the original intention and the clarification. You just post any old crap without any links and then get shitty when people point out problems in your "reasoning". Argument or opinion? What are we calling it these days??

[pErvinalia]

[pErvinalia]

"As a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, London has a proud history of tolerance and diversity and to suggest there are areas where police officers cannot go because of radicalisation is simply ridiculous."

Except of course that it's true.

As it happens it isn't. Have you ben to London recently? I have. As ever you talk shit.

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[pErvinalia]

I'm actually surprised that the number of Mercans killed by their own dogs is so small. I'm pretty sure more Mercans have been shot and killed by their own toddlers.

[cronus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-n ... d-35060868

Donald Trump: 'UK politicians should be thanking me'

Donald Trump has hit back after two high-profile Scottish snubs in the wake of his call for Muslims to be banned from entering the US.
The presidential hopeful - who has made major golf investments in Scotland - was dropped as a business ambassador by First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.
And he has also been stripped of an honorary degree by Robert Gordon University (RGU) in Aberdeen.
Mr Trump responded: "The UK politicians should be thanking me."

And he added in a tweet: "The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem. Everybody is wise to what is happening. Very sad. Be honest."
The Republican also thanked the "respected columnist Katie Hopkins" for her "powerful writing on the UK's Muslim problem".

(continued, Daily Mail big in the states these days....)