MrJonno wrote:You leave your personal morality (religious or not) at the door when you do any work, most of us have to do things in our jobs we don't agree with tough shit. No employer can force you to do anything that is illegal but it can force you do something you find morally repulsive
Maybe, maybe not.
If you work for yourself, as the photographer and baker both did, you get to make the rules about what you will or will not do.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
If you work for yourself, as the photographer and baker both did, you get to make the rules about what you will or will not do.
Definitely not, your personal conscience is of not relevance to what you can or can't do. You may burn in hell for all eternity but a secular society has no interest in this or whether hell exists or not
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
MrJonno wrote:You leave your personal morality (religious or not) at the door when you do any work, most of us have to do things in our jobs we don't agree with tough shit. No employer can force you to do anything that is illegal but it can force you do something you find morally repulsive
Maybe, maybe not.
If you work for yourself, as the photographer and baker both did, you get to make the rules about what you will or will not do.
Until too many people are too asinine about it. Then you can kiss your freedim goodbye,
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
-Mr P
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If you work for yourself, as the photographer and baker both did, you get to make the rules about what you will or will not do.
Definitely not, your personal conscience is of not relevance to what you can or can't do. You may burn in hell for all eternity but a secular society has no interest in this or whether hell exists or not
Who cares what a "secular society" is interested in? If I don't want to do something, no one on earth can make me do it.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
Religiosity is no affirmative defense, as it can be feigned as easily as ignorance of the law. And that which can be asserted without evidence can be similarly dismissed.
As entertaining as it might seem to a bunch of jackalopes in Kansas, I don't foresee a return to Lester Maddox-style discrimination any time soon. It's one thing to associate with whom one chooses within his home, quite another for a regulated business to violate discrimination laws and call it "Religion".
piscator wrote:Religiosity is no affirmative defense, as it can be feigned as easily as ignorance of the law. And that which can be asserted without evidence can be similarly dismissed.
It is here. The First Amendment protects it quite stringently in fact.
As entertaining as it might seem to a bunch of jackalopes in Kansas, I don't foresee a return to Lester Maddox-style discrimination any time soon. It's one thing to associate with whom one chooses within his home, quite another for a regulated business to violate discrimination laws and call it "Religion".
This particular case hinges on the fact that no state anti-discrimination law protecting gays has been tested against the U.S. Constitution and the protections of the First Amendment by the Supreme Court. All the decisions have been by local authorities, state courts, and in a few cases federal courts of appeal. It won't be over till the fat lady sings.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
Seth wrote:...no state anti-discrimination law protecting gays has been tested against the U.S. Constitution and the protections of the First Amendment by the Supreme Court.
The way you keep invoking the authority and power of constitutional amendments when you feel they will support your peculiar interpretation of them and reject them when they don't remains a source of amusement to me.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. - Stephen J. Gould
piscator wrote:Religiosity is no affirmative defense, as it can be feigned as easily as ignorance of the law. And that which can be asserted without evidence can be similarly dismissed.
It is here. The First Amendment protects it quite stringently in fact.
As entertaining as it might seem to a bunch of jackalopes in Kansas, I don't foresee a return to Lester Maddox-style discrimination any time soon. It's one thing to associate with whom one chooses within his home, quite another for a regulated business to violate discrimination laws and call it "Religion".
This particular case hinges on the fact that no state anti-discrimination law protecting gays has been tested against the U.S. Constitution and the protections of the First Amendment by the Supreme Court. All the decisions have been by local authorities, state courts, and in a few cases federal courts of appeal. It won't be over till the fat lady sings.
Which case? Masterpiece Cake shop is over. There aren't going to be any appeals or "working through the courts", both sides asked for Summary Judgement, there was no contention of the material facts, there were no technical flaws in the Summary Judgement that could alter the sworn statements of parties. The issue is closed.
As to the Kansas legislation, it's a train wreck waiting to happen. Hopefully, a great many Kansas tax dollars will be spent in the process of discovering that.
Seth wrote:
Who cares what a "secular society" is interested in? If I don't want to do something, no one on earth can make me do it.
Maybe not. But I could sure make you wish you had.
You can try, but you might come to regret it.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
Who cares what a "secular society" is interested in? If I don't want to do something, no one on earth can make me do it.
Does anyone older than 5 actually say that?, first thing you learn as a toddler is other people can make you do things you don't want .
I know Seth had a fucked up childhood but now I'm actually being to doubt he was actually ever was a child. I'm generally all for biotechnology but perhaps in one of the experiments the ethics committee was a bit lax when they created him
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
Seth wrote:Who cares what a "secular society" is interested in? If I don't want to do something, no one on earth can make me do it.
Do you pay taxes?
Those I choose to pay.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
