Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

[FBM]

Zimmerman isn't white.

No, he's not, but he looks white, or more white than latino.

Not to me. When I look at his photos, he looks perfectly latino to me. He looks more white than black, but not more white than latino. I'm not saying race couldn't have been an issue, but that if it were a white-vs-black thing, the focus should maybe be more on why white cops (I think they were) sided with a latino guy over a black guy.

[mistermack]

Any proof of that other than your outraged sensibilities?

I don't see the need to prove anything to trolls.

[mistermack]

Anyway, what is all this crap about Hispanics being not white?
Zimmerman is whiter than LOTS of my white friends. He's half northern european, half peruvian. And white. Not black.

[kiki5711]

Imagine that. The people who were there and actually viewed the evidence made a decision different from some Internet pundit. What a concept.

evidence provided by zimmerman. er...how convenient.

The neighbors back up Zimmerman's having injuries:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 9Y20120416

Someone probably already mentioned this earlier, but I'd willingly bet money that if the shoe were on the other foot and Zimmerman was black, and Trayvon was white, Zimmerman would have been arrested immediately.

The McNeil case suggests that's not a foregone conclusion since McNeil was a black man shooting a white man who didn't even manage to touch him, and McNeil didn't get arrested until a year later.

If Zimmerman had been black, but still a neighborhood watch guy who commonly gave tips to police and was positively regarded by his neighbors? I think that there's a good chance the police would have favored the guy they knew over some random person that they likely would have considered a hispanic vagrant.

Zimmerman later sought medical treatment for injuries including a broken nose, his former lawyers have said.

Jorge Rodriguez, Zimmerman's next-door neighbor, told Reuters that when he saw Zimmerman the day after the incident, "he had two big, butterfly bandages on the back of his head, and another big bandage...on the bridge of his nose." He was talking to a police detective in his driveway.
Rodriguez's wife Audria also said she saw the bandages and a third neighbor, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, agreed with the Rodriguez couple's account. "I saw two bandages on the back of his head, and his nose was all swollen up," said the witness, who had watched from a nearby second-floor window.

for real?

his lawyer! surprise, surprise! how many days later was that???

1. next door neighbor and a friend
2. his wife
3. a neighbor at the scene of the crime saw two bandages on the back of his head, but then when he came in to the police station, they were gone? NOT on his head!!!!!

[kiki5711]

Zimmerman isn't white.

No, he's not, but he looks white, or more white than latino.

Not to me. When I look at his photos, he looks perfectly latino to me. He looks more white than black, but not more white than latino. I'm not saying race couldn't have been an issue, but that if it were a white-vs-black thing, the focus should maybe be more on why white cops (I think they were) sided with a latino guy over a black guy.

Ok, let's say this s l o w l y "again".

Zimmerman's father is white, was a judge in the district, all the cops knew him. Need we say more?

[FBM]

Yes, you might consider saying something about the way Zimmerman actually looks instead of launching into a condescending non sequitur describing his father and his father's occupation.

[kiki5711]

Yes, you might consider saying something about the way Zimmerman actually looks instead of launching into a condescending non sequitur describing his father and his father's occupation.

which is how I take your posts. Condescending to my understanding and being able to SEE with my own eyes.

[FBM]

Yes, you might consider saying something about the way Zimmerman actually looks instead of launching into a condescending non sequitur describing his father and his father's occupation.

which is how I take your posts. Condescending to my understanding and being able to SEE with my own eyes.

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Don't know about you, but I don't see "cracker" written all over this dude.

[Tyrannical]

Anyway, what is all this crap about Hispanics being not white?
Zimmerman is whiter than LOTS of my white friends. He's half northern european, half peruvian. And white. Not black.

Zimmerman is just your typical Mestizo, being about 50/50 indigenous / European. If his indigenous mixture came from the US instead of Peru, he'd be an American Indian.

[FBM]

Obama is white, then.

[mistermack]

America is a weird place with regards to race.

In England, Obama would simply be described as half-caste, if the subject ever came up. But Americans routinely call him black.

And Zimmerman would just be called white.


But like a lot of things, our media often apes the US media. But it's not how the people see it.

[Coito ergo sum]

You'll need to make your non-sarcastic comments less ridiculous then. It's hard to tell them apart, a la Poe's Law.

Neighborhood watch, contrary to what you seem to think, is just people who live in the neighborhood who want to contribute to making it safe for everyone's kids to play. They aren't generally speaking nutbags and murderers. They're good people of varying shades.

do you really think it was necessary to point that out? I mean, come on? you talk like we're all stupid. the above IS pretty obvious to everyone, but I guess you don't think so.

Your comments in the past have been vary negative toward neighborhood watches, with the definite implication that you think the neighborhoods are racist and the watchpersons are crackpot gun nuts. So, it did not appear to be "obvious" to you. Witness the way you addressed the fact that Zimmerman was some sort of "captain" of the neighborhood watch. That was portrayed as some sort of an indication that he was up to no good.

[FBM]

Dunno about people at large, but when I look at Obama, he looks like a black guy. When I look at Zimmerman, he looks like a hispanic guy. Looks are what is relevant on the night in question. Were the cops responding to what they thought was a white guy, or a hispanic guy? (Assuming race was actually an issue at all.) I don't see much way to see a white guy in Zimmerman, judging from the available pics.

[Coito ergo sum]

Zimmerman isn't white.

No, he's not, but he looks white, or more white than latino.

When I see the pictures in the media, he looks Hispanic to me.

[Clinton Huxley]

In England, Obama would simply be described as half-caste, if the subject ever came up.

Would he? I've never heard anyone referred to as that in Blighty.