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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by rainbow » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:41 pm

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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:09 pm

Tens of thousands of banking jobs could be lost to continental Europe starting from next year if ministers do not agree a transitional deal with the EU, a Lords report on financial services after Brexit is expected to warn.
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Peers on the committee, due to report on Thursday, have been struck by the urgent need for financial institutions make decisions on their location because they cannot wait until 2019 to find out if they can access the single market from London.

The committee has been given a range of estimates of the likely job losses across the financial services sector including a claim from Ernst and Young commissioned by the London Stock Exchange that 200,000 UK jobs are at stake.

The Brexit committee, one of several that has begun looking at the impact of the UK’s planned departure from the EU, has been warned that big banks will start making decisions next year, partly because the relevant insurance deals take a year to unwind.

It is already becoming clear a dividing line is developing between those ministers who think the complexity of the negotiations mean it is not possible to negotiate a new trading relationship with the EU by autumn 2018, requiring a transitional agreement, and those who think it is feasible simply to leave the EU and then trade with the EU on WTO terms....

... Committee members have also been struck by warnings from the London Stock Exchange Group chief executive, Xavier Rolet, that the article 50 negotiating process would make it hard to secure the smooth transition that he wanted.

Rolet told the inquiry: “Article 50 was designed with exactly the opposite set of objectives in mind; that is, to impose and enforce such a reduced timeline to raise the cost of exiting the EU and make it punitive, or to create a level of uncertainty. This is our number one concern.

“If our customers are faced with an uncertain outcome within, say, the next two-and-a-half years, for the protection of their own customers and shareholders they likely have to start today to think, plan and execute alternative arrangements.

“The real difficulty is for most financial securities and licences, the delays in securing a licence easily exceed a year; 18 to 24 months is the norm, particularly since in most cases the regulatory environment in Europe is less global, sophisticated and deep than it is in the UK. So the ability to process multiple applications takes time.

“It is about ensuring that our customers will not be in a situation in the next two years where all of a sudden they have large amounts of risk or activities that are non-compliant.” ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rs-to-warn
And while this is the biggest social, economic, and political turning point since universal suffrage, Britain's most-read newspaper, which campaigned vociferously for BREXIT (despite its owners profits being held off-shore), decided to run with an emotional plea which wilfully, and disingenuously imo, seeks to confuse the existence of a global aid budget with a raft of government decisions which have seen the social care sector deliberately starved of money and run down over the last six years...

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The chance of a dispassionate and honest debate about what BREXIT is and what it means for the country is impossible while the popular press are prepared to stoop this low.
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by rainbow » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:23 am

Free Tony Bennet????

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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by DRSB » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:01 am

Can you really blame it all on the Russian hackers?

Labour MP: ‘Highly probable’ Russian hackers interfered over Brexit vote

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... referendum

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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:29 am

rainbow wrote:Free Tony Bennet????

What is he being held for?
Offences against music...
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Hermit » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:40 am

DRSB wrote:Can you really blame it all on the Russian hackers?

Labour MP: ‘Highly probable’ Russian hackers interfered over Brexit vote

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... referendum
Haha. Ben Bradshaw was one of Tony Blair's protégés and the owner of the Daily/Sunday Express has donated at least £1.3 million to UKIP. What do you expect?
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:24 am

JimC wrote:
rainbow wrote:Free Tony Bennet????

What is he being held for?
Offences against music...
Tony Bennet has always been like a God to me.
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:29 am

DRSB wrote:Can you really blame it all on the Russian hackers?

Labour MP: ‘Highly probable’ Russian hackers interfered over Brexit vote

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... referendum
The Express :ab: :ab: :smug:
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by rainbow » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:31 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
JimC wrote:
rainbow wrote:Free Tony Bennet????

What is he being held for?
Offences against music...
Tony Bennet has always been like a God to me.
At least that is one thing the Europeans won't take away from you.
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:43 am

Hermit wrote:
DRSB wrote:Can you really blame it all on the Russian hackers?

Labour MP: ‘Highly probable’ Russian hackers interfered over Brexit vote

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... referendum
Haha. Ben Bradshaw was one of Tony Blair's protégés and the owner of the Daily/Sunday Express has donated at least £1.3 million to UKIP. What do you expect?
Yeah, the Express feel we should be adopting the attitudes of the 1950s in all things.

In other BREXIT related news, the House Of Lords have been busy trying to find out the kind of thing that we should've found out before we made the decision...
EU nationals living in Britain should make a file of documents that prove they have lived in the country since before the June referendum, according to the chair of a House of Lords committee.

Helena Kennedy QC suggested collecting together bills, rental or home ownership documents, employment paperwork, or evidence of appointments for those who do not have jobs.

“Make a file now with proof of your presence [and] supporting letters from people who’ve known you, you have taught you or who you have had business dealings with,” said Lady Kennedy in an interview with the Guardian.

The peer chairs a Lords EU subcommittee that has just completed an investigation into the “acquired rights” of Europeans in the UK and Britons living in continental Europe. She warned of deep anxiety among EU citizens in the UK but also British nationals living on the continent.

After hearing from a series of experts, ambassadors from across Europe and Britons living overseas, the group will on Wednesday call for a unilateral undertaking to immediately guarantee to safeguard the rights of all EU nationals in the UK....

... Kennedy spoke about representations to her committee: including employers in the care industry who asked whether they ought to be advising EU workers to return home; European citizens who were asking about their children entering secondary school; and others who had entered British saving schemes.

She also talked of a Briton with a Polish wife, whose widowed mother was nervous about a move to the UK because she feared losing access to healthcare.

Kennedy also pointed to fears listed in the report submitted by Britons living in continental Europe. They include the state pension concerns of a 55-year old woman with disabilities in Frankfurt, concerns about a marital break up in France and the right to continue working as a doctor, and worries about access to healthcare in Greece.

..and there's more...
In the meantime the Daily Mail runs with OUTRAGE about a small rail strike and the Express emblazens the legend 'REVEALED: HOW TO LIVE LONGER' across it's front page.
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:48 am

Well some things to turds are more important in life. It must be great to be so ignorant.
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:11 pm

Dutch woman with two British children told to leave UK after 24 years

A Dutch woman who has lived in the UK for 24 years, and has two children with her British husband, has been told by the Home Office that she should make arrangements to leave the country after she applied for citizenship after the EU referendum.

The story of Monique Hawkins highlights the practical difficulties faced by millions of EU citizens concerned that they will not have the right to stay in Britain post-Brexit.

Hawkins had considered applying for citizenship before but decided not to as it did not confer any rights beyond her current EU rights. However, after the referendum she changed her mind, fearful that those rights would be diminished after Britain leaves the EU.

European citizens marrying Britons do not automatically qualify for UK citizenship under current rules and Hawkins was concerned that if she did not apply she would be forced “to join a US-style two-hour immigration queue” while the rest of her family “sail through the UK passport lane”.
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In order to get citizenship, she first had to get a “permanent residency” document, which involves an 85-page application form.

Hawkins said the Home Office had overlooked vital information in her submission – she was unable to supply an original of her Dutch passport because her father had recently died and she needed her passport to continue to travel to the Netherlands to support her mother.

However, the department not only rejected her application but sent her a letter which took no account of her right to be in the country irrespective of their decision. “As you appear to have no alternative basis of stay in the United Kingdom you should now make arrangements to leave,” the letter said.

When she phoned the Home Office to discuss the decision communicated to her in October, four months after her application, she was told her case could not be discussed on the phone or by email. Hawkins said her treatment by the Home Office was as absurd as a “Monty Python” sketch.

In a written complaint, Hawkins said the worst aspect about the process was the inability to contact anyone. She wrote: “I do not believe there is any other business, organisation or even legal process in the world that would treat its customers/clients/applicants in this manner.” ...

... and there's more ...
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Post by Strontium Dog » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:33 pm

Yesterday a colleague saw some old bigot hurling racist abuse at a foreign Big Issue seller (magazine sold by the homeless) in the street, saying stuff like "We voted to Leave, so get out" (actually in this city, we voted to stay, but never mind).

Anyway, a load of passers-by bought copies of the Big Issue in response, which is heartening.
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:28 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Dutch woman with two British children told to leave UK after 24 years

A Dutch woman who has lived in the UK for 24 years, and has two children with her British husband, has been told by the Home Office that she should make arrangements to leave the country after she applied for citizenship after the EU referendum.

The story of Monique Hawkins highlights the practical difficulties faced by millions of EU citizens concerned that they will not have the right to stay in Britain post-Brexit.

Hawkins had considered applying for citizenship before but decided not to as it did not confer any rights beyond her current EU rights. However, after the referendum she changed her mind, fearful that those rights would be diminished after Britain leaves the EU.

European citizens marrying Britons do not automatically qualify for UK citizenship under current rules and Hawkins was concerned that if she did not apply she would be forced “to join a US-style two-hour immigration queue” while the rest of her family “sail through the UK passport lane”.
Brexit: 1m EU citizens in Britain 'could be at risk of deportation'
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In order to get citizenship, she first had to get a “permanent residency” document, which involves an 85-page application form.

Hawkins said the Home Office had overlooked vital information in her submission – she was unable to supply an original of her Dutch passport because her father had recently died and she needed her passport to continue to travel to the Netherlands to support her mother.

However, the department not only rejected her application but sent her a letter which took no account of her right to be in the country irrespective of their decision. “As you appear to have no alternative basis of stay in the United Kingdom you should now make arrangements to leave,” the letter said.

When she phoned the Home Office to discuss the decision communicated to her in October, four months after her application, she was told her case could not be discussed on the phone or by email. Hawkins said her treatment by the Home Office was as absurd as a “Monty Python” sketch.

In a written complaint, Hawkins said the worst aspect about the process was the inability to contact anyone. She wrote: “I do not believe there is any other business, organisation or even legal process in the world that would treat its customers/clients/applicants in this manner.” ...

... and there's more ...
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That would never happen in a civilized country, as in a civilized country which welcomes immigrants, if a citizen marries a non-citizen, the non-citizen becomes eligible for permanent residence and citizenship based on that marriage. I guess in the UK, they just say "fuck you" to the spouses of their citizens. Join the civilized world!

I love the blurb about the "US-style" two hour immigration queue. You know, ya'll can fuck the hell off. The US "queue" is not longer than other countries' queues. I've flown into Mexico, Brazil, Norway, the Netherlands and France and the queues are all about the same. Every fucking country checks the passports and visas of arriving folks. Maybe with the EU there was a streamlined process for citizens of EU countries, and the "queue" might be longer than that after Britain leaves the EU, but to suggest that it's "US style" is such fucking bullshit. Last time I came back from Brazil, we sailed through customs and immigration in a few minutes, and that was in the airport in Miami.

You can't compare the process of going between EU countries with going between non-EU countries. The EU is a union that makes special rules to ease travel. Great. But, if you want to go to Russia or Mexico or Japan from the EU, they're going to make you wait in line like everyone else, and it does take bit of a wait to get through. That's not particularly to the US. It's when you go to any country that doesn't have a special arrangement with the country you're coming from.

What is "US style" in this case, however, is the fact that in the US, she'd have permanent residence in a few weeks after marrying a US citizen, and if she stayed married to the guy for 3 years, she'd be granted citizenship as a matter of course. That's the "US style."
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Re: The Thread of BREXIT

Post by rainbow » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:35 am

Forty Two wrote: What is "US style" in this case, however, is the fact that in the US, she'd have permanent residence in a few weeks after marrying a US citizen, and if she stayed married to the guy for 3 years, she'd be granted citizenship as a matter of course. That's the "US style."
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