All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:36 pm

I suppose it's possible that somebody who's made a point of immersing themselves in the fever swamps of right wing nutjob disinformation could be unaware of the actual significance of the Democratic Congresswomen's wearing of white, but more likely somebody repeating the 'they were dressed as Klansmen!!!1!' piffle is doing nothing but trolling.

A couple of history notes. The British women's suffrage movement originated the colour scheme of purple, white, and green. American suffragettes also used purple and white, though the third color there was gold. Both commonly wore white dresses accented with sashes of their respective tricolours.

The Ku Klux Klan did not originate with Dixon's book. Nor was the wearing of robes a fanciful invention on his or D. W. Griffith's part. The original KKK began in the 1860s and was the brainchild of former Confederate soldiers, a reaction to what they viewed as the oppression of Reconstruction. The various branches of this first manifestation wore a variety of costumes, most often some sort of robe, though the color of their robes varied.

It is true that Griffith's silent movie inspired a rebirth of the Klan in the early 20th century, and white robes as a standard costume was also inspired by the movie.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:46 pm

Evidence? You are claiming a lot. The Klan existed but it never had uniforms. That was Griffith. He wanted them to stand out better
The distinctive white costume permitted large-scale public activities, especially parades and cross-burning ceremonies, while keeping the membership rolls a secret. Sales of the costumes provided the main financing for the national organization, while initiation fees funded local and state organizers.

The second Klan embraced the burning Latin cross as a dramatic display of symbolism, with a tone of intimidation.[122] No crosses had been used as a symbol by the first Klan, but it became a symbol of the Klan's quasi-Christian message. Its lighting during meetings was often accompanied by prayer, the singing of hymns, and other overtly religious symbolism.[123] In his novel The Clansman, Thomas Dixon Jr. borrows the idea that the first Klan had used fiery crosses from 'the call to arms' of the Scottish Clans,[124] [and film director D.W. Griffith used this image in The Birth of a Nation; Simmons adopted the symbol wholesale from the movie, and the symbol and action have been associated with the Klan ever since.[125]
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:54 pm

Go Adam go! Trump is comparing himself to Obama. Duh! Obama only took US lobbyists’ money and won the popular vote.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:20 pm

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The KKK were based on a book "The Clansman" by Thomas F. Dixon Jr. It was turned into a film by DW Griffiths; "The Birth of a Nation". In the film the KKK wear their infamous uniforms which were a complete flight of fantasy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clans ... _Klux_Klan
The Klan existed well before the Clansman. That book was published in 1905. The KKK was first formed in 1865 by some Confederate soldiers in Tennessee. It worked to overthrow Republican governments and fight off Reconstruction. It was mostly led by the Democratic Party, which was the pro-slavery party, the pro-segregation party, and the pro-Jim Crow law party. The Republican Party was "The Party of Human Liberty" which stood for equal protection of the laws for all, regardless of race, color, creed, etc.

DWGriffith's movie in 1915 led to a resurgence of the Klan, but it was not the origin of the Klan.

Democratic President Woodrow Wilson endorsed the film, and screened it in the White House. All nine Supreme Court Justices at the time watched the movie at the White House, too. And, one of them, Justice E.D. White, admitted to having been a member of the Klan when he was younger, fighting Reconstruction.

The famous Democrat Senator Robert Byrd was a member of and recruiter for the KKK in the 1920s and 1930s. He held the title of Exalted Cyclops of the KKK. He rose to the level of Democratic Party leader in the U.S. Senate. As late as 2001, he is recorded as referring to low class white people as "white niggers." In 1964, he tried to filibuster the Civil Rights Act. Nevertheless, he was roundly celebrated by Democrat leaders in 2010.

Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was a Democrat Senator before being appointed to SCOTUS. He joined the Klan.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:33 pm

Tero wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:54 pm
Go Adam go! Trump is comparing himself to Obama. Duh! Obama only took US lobbyists’ money and won the popular vote.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ssment.amp
An Obama donor pled guilty to a criminal foreign donation scheme. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/ ... eme-226147
In 1997, we learned — too late — that the Clinton campaign had relied heavily on thinly disguised Chinese government money for much of its early blitz of issue ads in the 1996 election. The early intimations of funding fraud in the campaign (Al Gore’s exploits with the Buddhist monks) shaved off half of Clinton’s margin, cutting his lead from 14 to 7 points in the weeks before the election. But the full dimensions of the scandal were not apparent until then-Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) held hearings the following year revealing the depth of the campaign’s reliance on foreign money.
Now, in the last month of the 2012 race, Newsweek magazine has raised serious questions about Obama’s fundraising and its possible reliance on foreign donors and outright fraud to generate its funding.

Newsweek raises questions, in particular, about Robert W. Roche, the co-founder and chairman of the board of Acorn International Inc., a media and branding direct-sales company based in Shanghai. He also owns the Obama.com website, which appears on the Internet throughout the world. Roche’s site links to Barackobama.com, the official campaign site, where it invites people to donate to the campaign.
The Obama campaign is no stranger to fraudulent donations funneled in through phony names. In 2008, The Washington Post reported that Mary Biskup was reported to have donated more than $170,000 to the Obama campaign in small donations.
https://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/ ... ign-donors
Obama Campaign Fined Big for Hiding Donors, Keeping Illegal Donations
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/20 ... -donations
The FEC levied one of its largest fines ever against Obama's campaign committee, new documents show.

Foreign governments gave millions to foundation while Clinton was at State Dept.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 72ddf3433b
FITTON: Obama campaign's illegal foreign donations
Internet giving opens door to non-U.S. donors
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... donations/
Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/p ... onate.html
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:36 pm

What a lazy git:

'Executive time': how, exactly, does Trump spend 60% of his day?
A White House leak revealed most of the president’s time is unstructured, but allies hit back at claims he’s doing nothing
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:40 pm

Three in four Americans who tuned in to President Trump's State of the Union address tonight approved of the speech he gave. Just a quarter disapproved. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/viewers-ap ... news-poll/
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Animavore » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:47 pm

Of course he does nothing. He doesn't know how to do anything. He's basically an intern at this shit. A simpering one who can't even follow simple instructions at that.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:50 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:36 pm
What a lazy git:

'Executive time': how, exactly, does Trump spend 60% of his day?
A White House leak revealed most of the president’s time is unstructured, but allies hit back at claims he’s doing nothing
You can't get more ridiculous and pathetic, can you?
“The media is trying to play this that ‘executive time’ means goofing off watching TV. You have to remember the man doesn’t email or go online. So he works by going on the phone, meeting people, and interacting with people. He is constantly doing that. I’ve talked to a lot of people that are working in the White House or have worked in the White House, and they all say the same thing. He is a virtual Energizer Bunny and is exhausting staff, some of them 40 years younger.”
The debate erupted last weekend when an unnamed source leaked almost every day of Trump’s private schedule from the past three months to the website Axios. The documents showed that the president spends around 60% of his scheduled day in “executive time”, a term coined by his former chief of staff John Kelly. This usually includes the first five hours of the day, from waking up around 6am to his first meeting around 11am.
Oh, my god! There must be outrage about these "stolen" documents....
Axios reported: “The president sometimes has meetings during executive time that he doesn’t want most West Wing staff to know about for fear of leaks. And his mornings sometimes include calls with heads of state, political meetings and meetings with counsel in the residence, which aren’t captured on these schedules.”
But White House staff past and present deny that there is anything untoward or sinister about the unannounced conversations. Cliff Sims, Trump’s ex-director of message strategy, argues that it would not be practical to put them on schedule. “All those things are of course documented: the call logs and all of those things exist on the back end,” he told the Guardian. “I just think it would be impossible to actually have a printed-out schedule that’s getting sent out to everybody on the front end saying: ‘The president woke up this morning and decided he was going to do these 10 phone calls, just FYI.’ I don’t see the purpose in that.”

Sims, author of Team of Vipers: My 500 Extraordinary Days in the Trump White House, also pushes back hard at the notion that the president is work-shy or addicted to TV. “I do think that the schedules are relatively accurate in terms of big chunks of his day remain unstructured. The thing about it that is unfair criticism is that it’s being used to imply that he doesn’t work hard.

“In my experience, those chunks of executive time when he’s sitting in the private dining room just off the Oval or in the Oval, he was working the phones constantly. He had a steady stream of advisers coming in and something would come to mind for him and he’d call upstairs and get Stephen Miller down there or he’d call over and get whoever to come in and talk to him about whatever is going on.”

Sims noted that the freewheeling approach mirrors Trump’s account in his book, The Art of the Deal, which describes his typical day as head of the Trump Organization and suggests that he believes too much structure stifles creativity, so he prefers instead to make calls, look for deals and improvise. “I think that he approaches the presidency very similar to that. Now, that has its drawbacks and its advantages. I do think that unstructured time does allow him to create that creative chaos, if you will.

“The challenge is more in the implementation of his policy directives. The lack of process for some of those things actually has been a detriment. But this idea that he is sitting there all day watching TV and not doing anything is not an accurate picture of what he’s actually doing in those windows of time.”

Others sympathetic to Trump agree that “executive time” is consistent with an effective management style developed over 30 or 40 years. Ruddy, the chief executive of Newsmax and a longtime friend, said: “When I first heard the story I thought to myself, ‘Is this a joke?’ Donald Trump is probably the hardest-working business guy I have ever met in my life. His daily grind starts at six in the morning or earlier and goes right to midnight. Sure, he takes out time for golf and some social activities, but these are the exception.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:51 pm

Animavore wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:47 pm
Of course he does nothing. He doesn't know how to do anything. He's basically an intern at this shit. A simpering one who can't even follow simple instructions at that.
Other than his massive list of accomplishments, and his fulfillment of most of his campaign promises.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:54 pm

The Trump solution to every thing: cut funding.

'We are highly confident that the resources ... are sufficient'
Dr. Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for healthat the HHS, said Wednesday that he is confident there will be "sufficient resources" in the 2020 budget for the new HIV/AIDS plan.
"We are not able to provide specific budget numbers at this time. ... But we are highly confident that the resources being provided in 2020 are sufficient to support this very aggressive program," Giroir said.
"In my mind, the program has already started. We have been working together for months putting this together," he said. "I've already addressed the American Public Health Association and received tremendous support and collaboration already this morning. So while the proposal will roll out increased resources in 2020, all of our individual agencies are already working on this."
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:56 pm

The fucking Clinton Foundation is a foundation! It operates world wide.

Obama paid his fine. Good solution, move on. Trump ream stole Dems emails.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:14 pm

Tero wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:56 pm
The fucking Clinton Foundation is a foundation! It operates world wide.
Just ask yourself what you would think if the Trump Foundation received millions in foreign GOVERNMENT donations while Trump was President, all of which stopped after Trump left office. https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/donations ... on-defeat/
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Obama paid his fine. Good solution, move on.
LOL! Exactly what Giuliani said. If the FEC finds a violation, pay the fine, refund the money and move on. But, that's not what you think, right Tero? Trump should be impeached for it, even though there isn't even an FEC finding about it, is there?

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Trump ream stole Dems emails.
Nobody even alleges this. Hold your breath. You're up your own arse.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:34 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:46 pm
Evidence? You are claiming a lot. The Klan existed but it never had uniforms. That was Griffith. He wanted them to stand out better.
Your own source doesn't support your assertion. Nor did I say that the KKK had 'uniforms.'

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See 'KU KLUX KLAN (KKK)', as well as 'Midnight Rangers: Costume and Performance in the Reconstruction-Era Ku Klux Klan', and since you like Wikipedia:
The first Klan flourished in the Southern United States in the late 1860s, then died out by the early 1870s. It sought to overthrow the Republican state governments in the South during the Reconstruction Era, especially by using violence against African-American leaders. With numerous autonomous chapters across the South, it was suppressed around 1871, through federal law enforcement. Members made their own, often colorful, costumes: robes, masks and conical hats, designed to be terrifying and to hide their identities.

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