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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Forty Two » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:32 pm

Tero wrote:pErvin, No.

Different guy: Trump and Epstein.
Bill Clinton is known, via flight logs, to have flown more than 20 times to Epstein's orgy island where Epstein supplied young women, and is said to have supplied underage girls, to visiting big-wigs.

It's not just Trump, and Trump doesn't appear on the flight logs. The allegation against Trump, as I understand it, and feel free to link to something that says otherwise - the allegation against Trump comes out of the civil suit alleging he raped the 13 year old a couple of decades or so ago. Isn't that correct?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:35 pm

Does not hold up in court. Possibly impeachment, which is not a court.
If the laptop was “seized” by the FBI, it’s unlikely that either Weiner or Abedin voluntarily turned over the emails. That means the agency needed to get a search warrant, by swearing to a judge there was probable cause to believe that data on the laptop contained evidence of the suspected “sexting” crime. Under the Constitution, the warrant should have specified exactly the information to be seized and searched, and thereby limited the FBI from looking through the entire contents of the laptop.

As a constitutional scholar, I have studied the FBI’s troubling history of deliberately abusing search-warrant powers to go on unconstitutional fishing expeditions through Americans’ email. It seems likely that happened again here.

The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution states that no search warrant can be issued unless it “particularly describes the place to be searched and the things to be seized.” Did the warrant for Weiner’s laptop “particularly describe” emails sent to or received by Abedin while working at the State Department as material that could be seized as evidence of the alleged sexting crime? That seems highly unlikely.

Indeed, why were federal agents looking at any emails belonging to the suspect’s estranged spouse? Surely the FBI didn’t think Abedin was involved in the alleged sexting crime.

The agents might make the implausible claim that they saw Abedin’s emails inadvertently when looking for evidence related to the sexting crime. But even then, the legal approach would have required seeking Abedin’s consent to review the emails. If she declined, the FBI could have sought a new search warrant for specific Abedin messages, swearing to a federal judge that there was probable cause those particular emails were evidence of a crime, presumably related to the State Department email investigation
So far there are no reports that the FBI did either of these things. To the contrary, Comey’s own letter says the FBI has no idea if the emails are even “significant.” So how could the FBI get a search warrant to review them?

It may seem extreme to suspect that federal agents sworn to uphold the Constitution would deliberately violate it to go on an unauthorized fishing expedition through Weiner’s laptop. However, there is clear evidence that the FBI regularly and deliberately oversteps constitutional boundaries with regard to Americans’ email messages.

In one case now pending in New Jersey, the FBI went completely beyond the limits of a search warrant to download the entire contents of a lawyer’s cellphone. Incredibly, federal prosecutors in that case are telling a federal judge they can legally keep and use the downloaded data even if the judge rules it was obtained in violation of the Constitution.

In New York City, federal court records reveal the government obtained another search warrant that clearly violated the Fourth Amendment. That one ordered Microsoft to turn over the entire contents of a web-based email account and authorized “email by email review.”

There have been some preliminary efforts to rein in the FBI. Last spring, a bipartisan bill was introduced in Congress that would begin the process.
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:39 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Tero wrote:pErvin, No.

Different guy: Trump and Epstein.
Bill Clinton is known, via flight logs, to have flown more than 20 times to Epstein's orgy island where Epstein supplied young women, and is said to have supplied underage girls, to visiting big-wigs.

It's not just Trump, and Trump doesn't appear on the flight logs. The allegation against Trump, as I understand it, and feel free to link to something that says otherwise - the allegation against Trump comes out of the civil suit alleging he raped the 13 year old a couple of decades or so ago. Isn't that correct?
Epstein admitted to knowing Trump under oath, and curiously pled the fifth to Trump attending sex parties with underage girls.
At least one of Epstein’s underage sex victims was recruited from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago — which he frequented often.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/5556/7-th ... stigiacomo#

It's dirty. Do you want a rapist for a president or the spouse of a rapist?

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Forty Two » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:56 pm

Tero wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Tero wrote:pErvin, No.

Different guy: Trump and Epstein.
Bill Clinton is known, via flight logs, to have flown more than 20 times to Epstein's orgy island where Epstein supplied young women, and is said to have supplied underage girls, to visiting big-wigs.

It's not just Trump, and Trump doesn't appear on the flight logs. The allegation against Trump, as I understand it, and feel free to link to something that says otherwise - the allegation against Trump comes out of the civil suit alleging he raped the 13 year old a couple of decades or so ago. Isn't that correct?
Epstein admitted to knowing Trump under oath, and curiously pled the fifth to Trump attending sex parties with underage girls.
At least one of Epstein’s underage sex victims was recruited from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago — which he frequented often.
Epstein "knew" Trump, and both Clintons. We have flight logs of Bill Clinton visiting there more than 20 times. No flight logs showing Trump.

If Epstein recruited someone from Mar-a Lago, that doesn't mean Trump knew anything about it. High priced call-girls operated in Hilton Hotels, doesn't mean Conrad Hilton had a hand in it.

But, of course, Trump may have. I don't know.

Tero wrote: http://www.dailywire.com/news/5556/7-th ... stigiacomo#

It's dirty. Do you want a rapist for a president or the spouse of a rapist?
Nope, but I don't particularly trust decades old, twice dismissed, lawsuits brought in an election year by a plaintiff whose identity is not disclosed.

I also don't want someone whose IT manager pled the fifth, among other things, and who is under serious investigation by the FBI and other law enforcement authorities. And, I don't want someone who blatantly lied about here email server, over and over again, trying to deflect and avoid the importance of the allegations. And, i don't want someone who cheated in the debates, by accepting advanced copies of questions to be asked in the debates so she can prepare answers, etc.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:00 pm

Mar-a-lago is a home. It's not a hotel.

I don't think it's a businees despite hotel like service to guests
http://www.maralagoclub.com

Trump runs it, private playground.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Forty Two » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:13 pm

Tero wrote:Mar-a-lago is a home. It's not a hotel.

I don't think it's a businees despite hotel like service to guests
http://www.maralagoclub.com

Trump runs it, private playground.
Mar-a-Lago is a business - that "home" has 58 bedrooms, and rents suites, has a spa, and people go there to play golf, croquet, and tennis, and it has other amenities. It's a really pricey hotel. You don't go there and hang out with Donald Trump.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:22 pm

Looks like a home disguised as a club
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago

I think the sex parties happen in the private residence. Just like Hefner's lair.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Forty Two » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:34 pm

Tero wrote:Looks like a home disguised as a club
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago

I think the sex parties happen in the private residence. Just like Hefner's lair.
It looks like a golf and tennis club with a spa, etc.

But, so what? There is nothing wrong with sex parties. But there isn't even an allegation that sex parties happened there. There isn't even any allegation outside of the twice dismissed, election year civil suit filed anonymously by a Plaintiff trying to assert 20+ year old allegations.

If that kind of evidence is persuasive to you, then why do you deny the allegations against Hillary Clinton? I mean, there is far more direct, undisputed evidence against her.

For example, it is indisputable that she cheated in the primaries. She got debate questions ahead of time, accepted them and said nothing about it, and her lackey, Donna Brazile, lost her job at CNN over it. That's established beyond doubt to have happened twice. We can speculate whether those were the only two times. Hillary was dishonest, and did not reject the offer and did not tell anyone about it, as an honest person would do.

Moreover, it is indisputable that she lied through her teeth about the private server, about turning over all documents (which she didn't), about sending and receiving classified information (which she did), about why she had the server, about her use of only one device, about her being given permission to use the private server, and about it being lawful to do so. All that, and more, is established. She's a lying piece of shit.

Also, it was established that she colluded with Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Democratic National Committee, who were saying all the time that there was no collusion and they were neutral in the primary race, all the while working to defeat Bernie Sanders. They lied. Hillary lied. Wasserman Schultz lied. Brazile lied. Etc.

And, they lied about the Clinton Foundation, which was participating in the pay-for-play game with access to the State Department. And, as Bernie Sanders said, the receipt of foreign money by the Clinton foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State is a big problem. That's not cricket, at all.

They lied about her illness, too. First she wasn't having any seizures, her health was just fine, and it was all a big right wing conspiracy that deserved zero coverage. Then, when they couldn't deny it anymore, and she was falling down and getting carried into her car, they came up with deceitful photo ops with little girls, and created an explanation about pneumonia, which she supposedly had for an extended period of time while coughing all over people as she attended fund-raisers, campaign rallies, and dinners.

Under subpoena, she deleted emails off of her server, wiped the server (not, "what, with a cloth,"), and then took bleachbit to it to make sure nobody could see what she deleted and verify that her sole determination about what was "work related" and what wasn't went unchecked and unverified. She then physically smashed devices to preclude them from being examined.

Bill Clinton had an unethical meeting with Loretta Lynch at an airport and we're asked to believe this was just a chance encounter where they talked about grandkids and vacations, and had nothing to do with the ongoing investigation. And, Loretta Lynch, who supposedly recused herself from involvement was taking steps to prevent Comey from notifying Congress that the investigation was continuing. Some recusal, eh? And, Clinton had people in DOJ giving her "heads ups" about events happening in the investigation.

We have admissions regarding deletion of work-related emails contained in Podesta's emails, as well as incestuous relationships behind the scenes with Kadzik of the FBI. We learned today from Wikileaks that Hillary was warned by Podesta to stop sending sensitive information by email in 2014.

Now we find out that hundreds of thousands of emails and other documents are on Weiner's computer....

Her IT person pleaded the 5th to keep himself from incriminating himself for his criminal activity on her behalf. That's what taking the 5th means. Your answer to questions will tend to incriminate you. Other folks, like Cheryl Mills and Samuelson got deals with the Department of Justice, too. Five immunized witnesses apparently were not required to cooperate with federal authorities or with Congress in return for their deals, other than providing a limited amount of immunized information. Why was that? Because the DOJ, led by Loretta Lynch, had not desire to prosecute Clinton, and the whole thing is designed to block the inquiries.

It's so obviously corrupt and incestuous that it's hard to believe a thinking person can continue to blow this off as nothing. I get it. You like her more than Trump. But, doesn't it get a bit embarrassing for you to keep pretending like Clinton hasn't done SOMETHING wrong here?

Clinton keeps trying to deflect by saying this was some Russian plot against her, and Assange of Wikileaks has flat outs aid the material did not come from Russia. There is no evidence it's Russia. At most the Obama Administration (Homeland Security) came out and said that the "methods" used are "consistent" with Russian-related hackers in the past, and that they think Russia has a motive to interfere. That's it. Not a fucking shred of evidence that it was Russia has been advanced.

Anyway -- believe what you want.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:19 pm

"Moreover, it is indisputable that she lied through her teeth about the private server, about turning over all documents (which she didn't), about sending and receiving classified information (which she did), about why she had the server, about her use of only one device, about her being given permission to use the private server, and about it being lawful to do so. All that, and more, is established. She's a lying piece of shit."

Though potentially a danger for leaks, it did actually no harm to me or anyone. Benghazi bad decisions were nothing connected with a server.

In fact the majority of the work of the secretary either became news or is not ever to come out as the FOIA does not cover her meetings with Obama.

A- as secretary of state. The - for Libya.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by DaveDodo007 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:58 pm

Clinton Foundation involved in trafficking children for sex.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:13 pm

Disgusting Americans! Adopting babies:

n January 12th, my wife, Lisa, our eleven-year-old son, Harry, and I were about two and a half years into the process of trying to adopt a child from Haiti. Fifteen-month-old Rose Mirlande had been referred to us by Holt International, our adoption agency, in April, 2009. She was one of twenty-five children living at Fontana Village, an orphanage run by Holt, about forty miles north of Port-au-Prince. Lisa had gone there to meet her in October, 2009. We had a room ready for her, and were beginning to sort through our son’s old baby books. We hadn’t bought anything, though, because we thought that would jinx our chances.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:41 pm

This just in!
If you gave the Foundation 500 000 you got a baby from Haiti free! Limited offer while disaster lasted. No refunds no returns.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:43 am

Foxnews now frogmarching Hillary to jail
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/ ... llary.html

as they have done about once a month. Since she will be president, this time an impeachment option is thrown in.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:58 am

-so dirty

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by JimC » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:06 am

Not a pretty sight, a once-great country devouring itself in a frenzy of mutual hatred...
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