Australian 'no-go' zones

[Cunt]

So what makes it ok for the police to enforce speech codes for Islam?

What speech codes do the police enforced for Islam, and where?

It's NOT the fault of the police, but if you remember, Tim Pool had a very moderate view of 'no-go zones' in the end. Did you know that earlier, he was escorted out?

Lauren Southern, a comic-journalist, was forbidden from entering the UK, based on her words, and the leaflet she was attempting to hand out.

By the way, the leaflets are progressive, and inclusive, and have a wholesome message that the HAD to forbid, or face civil unrest.

The police have to keep the peace, so removing agitators from muslim neighbourhoods is important. So is steering idiots away from harm.

Why do you suppose that ALL the media is so gentle about satire and Islam? So fearful of publishing cartoons about that ONE religion?

They aren't 'speech codes' per se. Well, Canada has some stuff on the books, about 'islamophobia' (to be defined later) but it's human rights stuff, and probably also doesn't amount to speech codes.

I'm not seeing an answer to the question here. Perhaps it rode off on your hobby horse when your back was turned.

Maybe if you could focus on ME, rather than the subject, you would sound more like Brian Peacock.

Forget the issue, whatever it is, attack me for standing on either side of it.

[Forty Two]

https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/15/ ... -into-a-po

Which country's police force just called on its citizens to report offensive speech? Not libelous speech or death-threat speech, just plain old insulting speech. Speech that is merely hurtful or hateful. Which nation's cops instructed the citizenry to snitch on haters?

North Korea? China? Maybe Turkey?

It was Britain. Yes, Britain has become a nation in which offensive speech can become a police matter. Where, in April this year, a 19-year-old woman was convicted of sending a "grossly offensive" message after she posted rap lyrics that included the N-word on her Instagram page. Where, also in April, a Scottish shitposter was found guilty of a hate crime for teaching a pug to do a Nazi salute and posting the footage on YouTube. Where in recent years individuals have been arrested and in some cases imprisoned for making racist comments or just cracking tasteless jokes on Twitter.

This birthplace of John Stuart Mill, this nation that gave the world John Milton and his Areopagitica, still one of the greatest cries for the "liberty to utter," is now at the forefront of shutting speech down.

The latest Orwellian invitation to rat out offensive speakers was issued by the South Yorkshire Police.

These clearly time-rich coppers took to Twitter to remind people that "HateHurts". That was their actual hashtag. I'm sure hate can hurt, but not nearly as much as being burgled or beaten up or whatever other crimes these cops are probably missing as they trawl Twitter for rudeness.

"In addition to reporting hate crime, please report non-crime hate incidents," they pleaded. These non-crimes include "things like offensive or insulting comments, online, in person or in writing."

Sounds a little speechy-codey to me, but at a minimum, it's ridiculous, absurd and would make our dear friend Christopher Hitchens turn over in his grave. I guess it's good he didn't live to see this day.

[Rum]

She is about as interested in ‘inclusion’ as Hitier was.

This thread is really dumb. There are a hundred predominantly black areas in American cities where if you went in alone trying to hand out whites supremacist leaflets you’d get shot - the police there or not. There are neighbourhoods all over the planet where walking in and being provocative would be really dangerous. Our societies try to create a civilised sheen over our differences because we have to try to get along, but the forces of ‘difference’, like this nasty woman, would have it otherwise.

[Cunt]

She is about as interested in ‘inclusion’ as Hitier was.

This thread is really dumb. There are a hundred predominantly black areas in American cities where if you went in alone trying to hand out whites supremacist leaflets you’d get shot - the police there or not.

Yes. That is what would be referred to as a 'no-go zone' for nazi leafleteers.

There are neighbourhoods all over the planet where walking in and being provocative would be really dangerous. Our societies try to create a civilised sheen over our differences because we have to try to get along, but the forces of ‘difference’, like this nasty woman, would have it otherwise.

So what about the pamphlets? They don't have her on them anywhere, just rainbows, and an inclusive message:
Allah is straight.
Allah is gay.
Allah is trans.
Allah is lesbian.
Allah is everyone.

Can you explain why you wouldn't support such a pamphlet? Hand it out yourself, in muslim areas, I mean.

Or was I right about it being too tough to clarify?

[Forty Two]

She is about as interested in ‘inclusion’ as Hitier was.

This thread is really dumb. There are a hundred predominantly black areas in American cities where if you went in alone trying to hand out whites supremacist leaflets you’d get shot - the police there or not. There are neighbourhoods all over the planet where walking in and being provocative would be really dangerous. Our societies try to create a civilised sheen over our differences because we have to try to get along, but the forces of ‘difference’, like this nasty woman, would have it otherwise.

I agree, and pointing out that other neighborhoods around the world are similar is very relevant.

The key point, in my view, though, is that there needs to be a clear legal line as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong. A white supremacist marching down the street in Harlem or the Bronx might well be in danger, but he shouldn't be. As long as he restricts his behavior to speech, leafletting, etc, then he is within the law. Anyone who shoots or hits him, is not within the law, even if most everyone wouldn't feel sorry for the white supremacist.

The cops aren't there to make sure everyone is always insulated from crime, so people need to use their heads. I wouldn't go down the streets of Harlem with a MAGA hat, that's for sure. Should I be able to? Yes. If I wore one, is it more likely I would make it through unscathed, or is it more likely that I would be attacked? In my view, my odds of being shot or attacked would be low. Nevertheless, I use my head. I like Trump, but I have no bumper sticker on my car. Why? Because asshats will damage my car. Ought they be able to? No. But, cops can'd watch my car all the time, and I am not inclined to do what is necessary to ensure it is always free from being keyed or dented.

[Hermit]

The key point, in my view, though, is that there needs to be a clear legal line as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong. A white supremacist marching down the street in Harlem or the Bronx might well be in danger, but he shouldn't be. As long as he restricts his behavior to speech, leafletting, etc, then he is within the law.

Yes, that is the clear legal line. Which can be exploited. Lauren Southern's reputation was well known before she arrived in Lakemba to stir things up. She was one of the four participants in the Génération identitare's attempt to block the ship Aquarius, owned by SOS Mediterranée and Doctors without Borders, from leaving Sicily. The Aquarius was being used to search for unseaworthy craft in the Mediterranean Sea and rescue their passengers, mostly refugees from the Syrian war. Génération identitare released a statement in which said of its action: "It is a declaration of war."

Génération identitare's stunt, and Southern's participation in it made headlines around the world. You can bet your bottom dollar that Australians were well aware of what was going on, particularly the Muslims among us. They would have recognised her when she traipsed down Haldon Street, and they would have correctly perceived her motive as being to stir up trouble by her mere presence. She was not being a comic. She was a participant of a group that declared war on Muslims. The cops were doing the exact right thing when they stopped her and forbade her to head to the Lakemba mosque in order to provoke more Muslims there. They were doing their job, which among other things is to preserve the peace. You can stick your talk of a clear legal line as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong up your arse.

[Cunt]

You can stick your talk of a clear legal line as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong up your arse.

Well, we can see clearly that Hermit has submitted to the will of Allah.

[pErvinalia]

He certainly hasn't, but I understand why you would..

[Cunt]

Those who submit to the will of Allah are identically incapable of offending muslims about their prophet.

It's funny how hard it is to tell apart an appeaser from a submitted adherent.

[Hermit]

You can stick your talk of a clear legal line as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong up your arse.

Well, we can see clearly that Hermit has submitted to the will of Allah.

Stop trolling, please.

[laklak]

Plenty of places I won't go. Church, for one.

[Hermit]

Those who submit to the will of Allah are identically incapable of offending muslims about their prophet.

It's funny how hard it is to tell apart an appeaser from a submitted adherent.

Appeaser? You can't tell the difference between someone who criticises a shit-stirring xenophobe and a Muslim? I am an atheist. I don't submit to any skydaddy, no matter what his name is supposed to be.

[Cunt]

You can stick your talk of a clear legal line as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong up your arse.

Well, we can see clearly that Hermit has submitted to the will of Allah.

Stop trolling, please.

I'm not trolling, your words are indistinguishable from a muslim adherent defending blasphemy laws.

Not my fault you submitted, I don't think I have that much influence on you.

[Svartalf]

Plenty of places I won't go. Church, for one.

dunno, in the US there may be no reason to visit a church other than to be stupid, in Europe, churches are repositories of are and beauty well worth visiting on that basis alone, even if you're no chretin.

[laklak]

I'll go look at a cathedral for the history and architecture, but you won't get me into a service.