Gambling machines. I'm seriously impressed.

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, but what does it have to do with anything? The number of people who can't wash or dress themselves is likely to be very tiny. What the fuck are you going on about?

[Strontium Dog]

There are hordes of the great unwashed who think nothing of leaving the house in pyjamas and nightgowns, from Land's End to John o' Groats. Stop commenting on life in Britain when you have no idea. Although I don't believe for a second that you don't have these people in Australia too.

[pErvinalia]

"Hordes"? Let's seem some evidence for this. Methinks you are just reflecting your biases instead of reality. There's no doubt that there's some people who are utter basket cases, but to state there are large numbers of people like that is ridiculous. As I've said to you multiple times now, there's more job seekers than jobs/hours available. So even if there were "hordes", what is the point that you are trying to make, other than you have utter disdain for disadvantaged people?

[Rum]

I've seen a few. The best example was someone coming out of the only local corner type small supermarket open on Christmas day with a frozen chicken under her arm, dressing gown belt flying in the wind!

Can't say I've seen hordes by any stretch..and in any case where's the evidence that these trouserless people are actually unemployed?

[pErvinalia]

SD doesn't need evidence. He's got conservative fee fees. Looking down on less fortunate people is a conservative's raison d'etre.

[Strontium Dog]

Nothing short of me going around videoing the underclass of Birkenhead would convince you, so there seems little point in continuing this "discussion" (AKA you pissing on the idea that there are any people in Britain, let alone millions, who contribute zero to society).

Although given that you describe laziness, fecklessness and general worthlessness as being down to "fortune", even that probably wouldn't convince you.

[mistermack]

For fuck's sake, when will Strontium Dog realise that the rest of the world isn't like Liverpool?

Living in a shithouse must make it hard to imagine a world outside, where the walls are just for keeping the roof up, not for writing on in your own poo.

[Strontium Dog]

You would know all about writing in excrement.

And just as a FYI, Birkenhead isn't in Liverpool, and neither is Rum.

[Rum]

You would know all about writing in excrement.

And just as a FYI, Birkenhead isn't in Liverpool, and neither is Rum.

Well you are right there for sure.

Carlisle is a pretty poor city as these things go but it is also a bit behind the times. Perhaps the fashion for the unemployed to wear their pajamas out and about while being useless and feckless hasn't quite reached us here yet.

[laklak]

What's the opposite of feckless? Feckful?

[Rum]

Feckatious of course.

[JimC]

What's the opposite of feckless? Feckful?

Our fellow Ratzian Feck could tell us, but he hasn't posted for ages...

[pErvinalia]

Nothing short of me going around videoing the underclass of Birkenhead would convince you, so there seems little point in continuing this "discussion" (AKA you pissing on the idea that there are any people in Britain, let alone millions, who contribute zero to society).

Although given that you describe laziness, fecklessness and general worthlessness as being down to "fortune", even that probably wouldn't convince you.

You are going around in circles. You first have to support your claim that there are large numbers of lazy feckless and worthless people, before you can argue that I'm calling them less fortunate. It's also a red herring, as I am referring to all people who are disadvantaged regardless of how many basket case individuals there are in your neighbourhood.

So I ask, AGAIN, what is the point that you are trying to make in this thread, other than you have utter disdain for disadvantaged people (i.e. most of the people on welfare)?

[Svartalf]

I don't knowI dinna ken aboot lazy or feckless, what I know is that there are people who have gone through an education system that's geared to maintain the social class status quo, prepare the wealthy to keep and amass wealth, and the rest to be grist for the mill, and who have the problem that with the rise of new technologies for the last century and a half or two, unqualified jobs have become rarer and rarer... you can't get a job if you've not had a proper education, and the underclass hasn't the ££ to get one, so an underclass of terminally unemployed dole folk is created, and studiously maintained by the tories.

[Scot Dutchy]

I agree Svarty. Even cleaners here have to have a certificate attained at a six month course. A common labourer does not get you far these days.