Black boxes. Another failure.

[pErvinalia]

Just because you are unaware of what's going on in the world doesn't equate to an event being a strawman. There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac. The suicide thing is just an easy out for shallow thinkers because they can easily equate it to depression. When you properly consider that this was first and foremost a heinous crime, then you have to explain how depression could cause that. And not surprisingly, you can't. It's a total misunderstanding of depression. Not surprising really, as you have fuck all understanding of most subjects.

[cronus]

Just because you are unaware of what's going on in the world doesn't equate to an event being a strawman. There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac. The suicide thing is just an easy out for shallow thinkers because they can easily equate it to depression. When you properly consider that this was first and foremost a heinous crime, then you have to explain how depression could cause that. And not surprisingly, you can't. It's a total misunderstanding of depression. Not surprising really, as you have fuck all understanding of most subjects.

Most suicides are compassionate and want to limit the suffering of others by dying without fuss and bother by themselves, maybe in a cupboard hanging or under the wheels of a train.

[mistermack]

There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac.

That's about the dumbest comment on this event that I've read.
So you think he was planning to kill a planeload of people, and coincidentally decided to top himself at the same time?
Rather than, what most people are saying, he decided firstly to kill himself, and out of hate, spite or malice, decided to make sure that he didn't go quietly, but that he would leave a big nasty mark on the world.

It just so happened that he was in a position to kill 150 people, simply by turning a knob.
It's not homicidal mania. It's hate and spite, combined with the fact that as he wanted to die, there was no cost to himself whatsoever.

[cronus]

There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac.

That's about the dumbest comment on this event that I've read.
So you think he was planning to kill a planeload of people, and coincidentally decided to top himself at the same time?
Rather than, what most people are saying, he decided firstly to kill himself, and out of hate, spite or malice, decided to make sure that he didn't go quietly, but that he would leave a big nasty mark on the world.

It just so happened that he was in a position to kill 150 people, simply by turning a knob.
It's not homicidal mania. It's hate and spite, combined with the fact that as he wanted to die, there was no cost to himself whatsoever.

I guess it is the ease of it....like pushing a button. If I could take a city with me via a nuclear thing, and was going anyway? but in my case not malice but rather company - I'm a sucker for company when going somewhere new.

[Rum]

Jesus Christ.

[Seth]

It'd be interesting to see if meds for depression were involved? A well known side effect of anti-depressent usages is suicidal thinking during 'recovery' stage. The most dangerous time for a depressive is in the initial stages of recovery when meds give the lift whilst thinking might still be rather bleak. If it's med induced suicide then the prescribing doctors are in part culpable for not alerting the airline of the medical situation directly.

It's not suicide (alone) when 150 murders are involved.

German doctors are forbidden from revealing such things unless the patient has made an actual statement that they are considering committing violence. Depression alone, even deep depression, is privileged information in Germany.

[Seth]

This sort of thing rather confirms my paranoid decision never, ever to fly...

If you're that paranoid, you should never leave your house, particularly to get in an automobile, which is thousands of times more dangerous than commercial flying.

[Seth]

The problem is, that a lot of people and media articles are treating this as a case of suicide. It's clearly not suicide alone if there is mass murder involved. It's clearly more murder than suicide. So said people need to explain how it is they think depression can lead to mass murder. Saying it leads to suicide is easy for them, but that's just lazy thinking.

Sounds like your own straw opponent. Or I must have missed all those people and media. Most of the ones I've seen treat it as obviously mass murder.

Plenty of them made the point that he was a glider pilot, and could easily have killed just himself by flying his glider into the Alps, if that's what he wanted. So killing lots of people was obviously his aim.

To me, it shouts of resentment against the world. As I posted earlier, he was in an impossible corner, with shit options whichever way he turned. In a depressed state, you can lash out at the world put you in that hole. I wouldn't dream of it myself, but I can see how someone could feel that way.

You did miss it. Not least the post by scumple I was replying to. There's even media articles now raising the same point I'm raising. And not to mention the strange idea that depression could lead someone to mass murder. That doesn't sound like any depression i've ever heard of (or suffered from).

Could have been psychosis with depression that lead him to block out the passengers...possibly narcissism. He was a fine athlete and runner and perhaps the diagnosis was something that would prevent him from his favorite sport. Put all that together and it's certainly possible for someone to simply disregard the safety of others. That's why they have anti-jump barriers on the Empire State building. Before they did so, people jumped and hit pedestrians below. Still happens from time to time. Mental illnesses are very hard to predict, like the Aurora theater shooter, which is why each of us, as individuals, must be prepared to defend our own lives. In this case, there was nothing anyone could have done, but that doesn't impeach the need for all of us to be cognizant of risk and make whatever personal preparations we feel are reasonable to respond to them.

[Seth]

There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac.

That's about the dumbest comment on this event that I've read.
So you think he was planning to kill a planeload of people, and coincidentally decided to top himself at the same time?
Rather than, what most people are saying, he decided firstly to kill himself, and out of hate, spite or malice, decided to make sure that he didn't go quietly, but that he would leave a big nasty mark on the world.

It just so happened that he was in a position to kill 150 people, simply by turning a knob.

Actually, it was "flip a switch."

It's not homicidal mania. It's hate and spite, combined with the fact that as he wanted to die, there was no cost to himself whatsoever.

Hate and spite do not mutually exclude homicidal mania or suicidal ideology.

[MiM]

Just because you are unaware of what's going on in the world doesn't equate to an event being a strawman. There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac. The suicide thing is just an easy out for shallow thinkers because they can easily equate it to depression. When you properly consider that this was first and foremost a heinous crime, then you have to explain how depression could cause that. And not surprisingly, you can't. It's a total misunderstanding of depression. Not surprising really, as you have fuck all understanding of most subjects.

This is actually among the best comments I have seen on this issue. We can compare with school shooters, most of them are just as suicidal as this guy, and either shoot themselves, or make sure to be shot by police in the end. Because of the more directly violent killing, we tend to put the homicide and violence first in their case, but is there really a difference?

[Seth]

Just because you are unaware of what's going on in the world doesn't equate to an event being a strawman. There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac. The suicide thing is just an easy out for shallow thinkers because they can easily equate it to depression. When you properly consider that this was first and foremost a heinous crime, then you have to explain how depression could cause that. And not surprisingly, you can't. It's a total misunderstanding of depression. Not surprising really, as you have fuck all understanding of most subjects.

This is actually among the best comments I have seen on this issue. We can compare with school shooters, most of them are just as suicidal as this guy, and either shoot themselves, or make sure to be shot by police in the end. Because of the more directly violent killing, we tend to put the homicide and violence first in their case, but is there really a difference?

Nope. That's why I mentioned narcissism as a component in such ideopathy. And that's why the names and images of mass murderers should never be mentioned or shown, in order to deny them the notoriety they seek.

[Seth]

Just as I thought....

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The Chilling Words an Ex-Girlfriend Allegedly Remembers the Germanwings Co-Pilot Saying
Mar. 28, 2015 10:12am Jonathon M. Seidl
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The reported ex-girlfriend of the Germanwings co-pilot, who officials say deliberately crashed his jetliner into the French Alps killing himself and 149 others, is speaking up. And she’s recalling some allegedly chilling words the man made that show the crash could have been in the works for a while.

The woman, a flight attendant going by the name Maria W., told Reuters she had a relationship with Andreas Lubitz in 2014. She said he told her he was undergoing “psychiatric treatment,” and that there was a sentence he once uttered that is now haunting her.

She said he would say, “One day I’ll do something that will change the system, and then everyone will know my name and remember it.” (continues)

[pErvinalia]

There has been much focus on his suicide without seeming to realise that being suicidal is totally different to being a homicidal maniac.

That's about the dumbest comment on this event that I've read.
So you think he was planning to kill a planeload of people, and coincidentally decided to top himself at the same time?
Rather than, what most people are saying, he decided firstly to kill himself, and out of hate, spite or malice, decided to make sure that he didn't go quietly, but that he would leave a big nasty mark on the world.

This is the problem I mentioned in my last post, that you ignored. How does one go from being suicidal from depression to being a mass murderer?? It makes no sense, and you don't appear to even be considering this point.

It just so happened that he was in a position to kill 150 people, simply by turning a knob.
It's not homicidal mania.

Huh? Killing 150 people isn't homicidal mania?!? What fucking world do you live in??

It's hate and spite, combined with the fact that as he wanted to die, there was no cost to himself whatsoever.

Well, it could be that, but you're just speculating, as usual. It doesn't change the point that trying to pin this event on depression makes no sense.

[pErvinalia]

Wessely added his voice to those of mental health charities who have raised concerns about the media’s reporting of the crash.

He said: “We are all concerned. There are two reasons why: there isn’t a link between depression and aggressive suicide, if that is what this is. There isn’t normally such a link. And second, because of some of the ridiculous things that are said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... MP=soc_567

[Brian Peacock]

I was just going to post that. This is a difficult time for those who've owned up to mental health issues.