Australia taken hostage by Islamic Terrorists!

[laklak]

We get so het up and bothered by this stuff. A recent study put the total terrorism related deaths in 2013 at 17,958, worldwide. Fucking kid's play, that. Over 33,000 were killed by cars in the U.S. that year, and over 12,000 homicides. They're really not very good at what they do, are they?

[cronus]

Admit it, you're Godot.

C'mon, Scrumple. We're waiting.

I'm coming. Give me half a hour to put my make up on.

[Brian Peacock]

Man, what a horrible ending. There's going to be a new bout of xenophobia and bigotry in the coming weeks/months. There's a twitter hashtag campaign that's been trending - #illridewithyou. People offering to ride on public transport with muslims who are afraid to due to bogans targeting them for abuse.

When we had the London tube bombings many people went to great lengths to show solidarity with our fellow Muslim citizens and to make it clear that a whole community weren't being held responsible for the actions of a few troubled and morally deficient young men. There was a similar reaction when Fusilier Lee Rigby was run down and hacked to death in broad daylight. OK, so some people put pig heads on the steps of a Mosque and the usual fascistic knuckle-draggers tried to provoke a few fights with some low turnout marches, but on the whole people felt that these things were a burden for us all and weren't just something to do with Muslims.

I think it's a shame the guys dead in a way. Often the best way to expose the bankrupt and bankrupting nature of these ideas is to let people spout their self-justifying and despicable bollocks from the dock.

You are re-writing history a bit.

Nope - just talking from personal experience.

Country was sliding on the right before Lee Rigby and now is sliding twice as fast. Everything is on course for a Muslim genocide in the UK given a significant economic downturn. I'm not saying I want this. Maybe free-speech would have saved lives by allowing the Muslim minority to hear what is being said in the pubs and clubs? Rather than the false reality of online social media? It is coming, folks being in denial won't alter the course of the river.

These things come and go - I don't think the place is going to hell in a handbag just yet.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

These things come and go - I don't think the place is going to hell in a handbag just yet.

There's no such place as hell and good luck finding a handbag that'll go south of the river at this time of night!

[JimC]

Brian Peacock wrote:

...but on the whole people felt that these things were a burden for us all and weren't just something to do with Muslims....

If by that you meant that most people realised that it was unfair to blame the average muslim in the street for the atrocities in your country, then fair enough; it is true that terrorist incidents allow racist red-necks to vent their spleen, which needs to be opposed.

But this is often taken too far, giving, in effect, Islam the religion a "get out of jail free card"... We should be able to regard it as a dangerous religion that is a constant source of inspiration to violence, and that its fundamentalist adherents advocating violence, and those that cheer them on in mosques need to be dealt with by legal means with rigour and without mercy.

[Brian Peacock]

I don't disagree Jim, but do we hold all Christians accountable for the murder of an abortion doctor by a Christian? We have to hold the religions to account for sure, but not the individual brainwashed sheepies.

[cronus]

I don't disagree Jim, but do we hold all Christians accountable for the murder of an abortion doctor by a Christian? We have to hold the religions to account for sure, but not the individual brainwashed sheepies.

Why not? What is wrong with collective guilt? It should inspire a community to root out the radicals before they bring doom to the rest. If Islam was a ideology all this soft-glove treatment would be laid aside. There are very good reasons, given its totalitarian nature and geo-political ambitions to consider it a ideology dressed up as a religion.

[JimC]

I don't disagree Jim, but do we hold all Christians accountable for the murder of an abortion doctor by a Christian? We have to hold the religions to account for sure, but not the individual brainwashed sheepies.

Certainly not all christians, but if the perpetrator belonged to a Phelps-like church, then that sub-group and its leaders should be held accountable.

Same with mosques in western countries that preach jihad from the pulpit...

[Hermit]

I don't disagree Jim, but do we hold all Christians accountable for the murder of an abortion doctor by a Christian? We have to hold the religions to account for sure, but not the individual brainwashed sheepies.

Certainly not all christians, but if the perpetrator belonged to a Phelps-like church, then that sub-group and its leaders should be held accountable.

Sub-groups, yes. That means the Mujahideen, Taliban and Isis sub-groups, as well as their financial supporters, should be held accountable for Islamic terrorism not the Qu'ran as such. The latter means that some members of the US and Saudi administrations are among the sub-groups who are responsible for Islamic terrorism.

[JimC]

I don't disagree Jim, but do we hold all Christians accountable for the murder of an abortion doctor by a Christian? We have to hold the religions to account for sure, but not the individual brainwashed sheepies.

Certainly not all christians, but if the perpetrator belonged to a Phelps-like church, then that sub-group and its leaders should be held accountable.

Sub-groups, yes. That means the Mujahideen, Taliban and Isis sub-groups, as well as their financial supporters, should be held accountable for Islamic terrorism not the Qu'ran as such. The latter means that some members of the US and Saudi administrations are among the sub-groups who are responsible for Islamic terrorism.

I hold accountable all islamists who call for holy war against the infidels. One cannot hold a book of delusional fairy-tales accountable in the same way that you hold people accountable, but you can pour scorn, ridicule, mockery and vitriol on it.

[Brian Peacock]

I don't disagree Jim, but do we hold all Christians accountable for the murder of an abortion doctor by a Christian? We have to hold the religions to account for sure, but not the individual brainwashed sheepies.

Why not? What is wrong with collective guilt? It should inspire a community to root out the radicals before they bring doom to the rest. If Islam was a ideology all this soft-glove treatment would be laid aside. There are very good reasons, given its totalitarian nature and geo-political ambitions to consider it a ideology dressed up as a religion.

Don't we see the duff in that every time an enthused theist with an internet connection associates Pol Pot or Chairman Moa with atheism?

[Brian Peacock]

I don't disagree Jim, but do we hold all Christians accountable for the murder of an abortion doctor by a Christian? We have to hold the religions to account for sure, but not the individual brainwashed sheepies.

Certainly not all christians, but if the perpetrator belonged to a Phelps-like church, then that sub-group and its leaders should be held accountable.

Same with mosques in western countries that preach jihad from the pulpit...

Exactly, but in this case we hold the people who preach hate and violence and those that follow them to account. We're not holding all Muslim's accountable, nor is it reasonable to do so imo.

[cronus]

The vulnerable are brainwashed by propaganda to carry out suicide attacks in the ME. What was seen in Australia and has been elsewhere in the West is merely the continuation of the policy already in place across the ME. To target the vulnerable and let them carry out attacks on the behalf of their idealogical handlers. It is imperative the authorities locate the people behind this man and his beliefs, his need to join IS. Very likely they are targeting other marginalised vulnerable types. A copy cat or worse a full fledged terrorist attack could be brewing even now...unless his handlers are caught.

[mistermack]

Seems to me a good enough reason to cut immigration from predominantly muslim countries to zero.
And deny all muslims asylum, on the grounds that they are statistically far more likely to give trouble.
This guy was granted asylum, I believe.

[pErvinalia]

I was waiting for the in-house bigot to show up.

Interestingly there's a misguided effort by the left (the left has a prominent irrational sector within it) to say this event wasn't terrorism. Twits. I can't be arsed going into it, it's too early in the morning to be a non-zombie. If anyone cares (unlikely) I'll expand on this a bit later.