Disaster capitalism

[Seth]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

And why don't you move to Venezuela, or China, or any other Marxist shit hole on earth and get the fuck out of the United States, since you like Marxism so much? Because you're a hypocrite, perhaps? Because you talk the talk (poorly and ignorantly) but can't walk the walk? You bemoan capitalism and laud Marxism, and yet you're not willing to sacrifice your comfort and pleasure, much less your economic position to forward the Marxist ideology. Like I said, Che would put a bullet in your head for that counterrevolutionary treason.

Did you lie on your application for permanent residency by denying affiliation with organizations advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? You can be deported for that, and probably should be. < -------------------- excuse me!, are you accusing me of perjuring myself on federal papers, that's a felony. Further, no one I know advocates any such thing. NO ONE.

Or are you just an illegal alien who overstayed her visitor's visa? <------------------ how fucking dare you imply I am a criminal. How fucking dare you. Inquiring minds want to know....

You've gone too far.

That might indeed be libelous. You'd better be ready to back those claims up, Seth.

What claims? I made no claims about Morticia. I asked some probing questions and stated my opinion about Marxist immigration to the United States, and I cited federal immigration laws. Furthermore, it's not libel because "Morticia" is not a person, living or dead, whose reputation was or can be impugned. "Morticia" is an anonymous avatar on an Internet discussion forum and cannot be slandered or libeled as a matter of law, any more than "Publius" could be slandered or libeled by "Brutus" in the broadsheets of 1778.

This falls under the "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" rule.

[Seth]

Now answer the fucking question: Did you disclose to ICE that you are a "card-carrying Marxist" during the application process, or did you lie by omission?

my belief is my business

Not anymore. You announced your belief, which opened you to criticism every bit as much as a theist opens himself to criticism of his beliefs if he posts here. If you want your beliefs kept private, then for fuck sake keep them PRIVATE. When you announce, as a part of your biographical information, that you are a "card carrying Marxist," and then you expose yourself as a hypocrite by abandoning Marxism the moment your personal needs are served better by Capitalism, and you further expose your position as an alien who may have violated federal immigration laws, you open yourself to critique in exactly the same way as an evangelical Christian ranting about the evils of sex does if he admits to having an affair outside of marriage. Post in haste, repent at leisure.

there is freedom of belief in this country

Indeed. But since you're a guest in this country, not a citizen, your beliefs are subject to administrative review by federal immigration authorities to ensure that you are not seeking entry to the country for maleficent purposes associated with those beliefs. In other words you DO NOT have the same rights as a citizen in that regard, and the United States is free to reject your application, or deport you as an "undesirable alien" for any of a large number of reasons, adherence to political ideologies that advocate the violent overthrow of the US government being among them.

you implied I was a perjurer and a felon and seditious, I take that seriously.

I ASKED if you were a perjurer and a felon. You irrationally inferred that I was IMPLYING that you are a perjurer and felon. Your response falls in to the "methinks she doth protest too much" category.

I PRESUME that you are seditious because you have proclaimed openly your adherence to Marxism, which is inherently and inescapably antithetical and hostile to our entire political and social system. Your interviewer at ICE would have likely presumed exactly the same thing and rejected your application if he had known of your affiliation with Marxism.

what I do or believe is none of your business

Wrong. You're a guest in MY country, so what you do, and what you believe are absolutely my business, particularly when you believe in the violent overthrow of my government, which is inherent in Marxism, and you evidently failed to disclose this belief as required by federal law when you applied for permission to live and work here. You're NOT a citizen, and you don't have the same rights as a citizen.

Your RELIGIOUS beliefs are of no interest to the government. Your POLITICAL beliefs are absolutely of interest.

So, did you disclose your Marxist affiliations to the ICE interviewer or not?

fuck you

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No thanks, I don't care to have sex with Marxists., they're likely to insist it's their proletarian right to equality of sexual outcomes.

[Seth]

I was head hunted while living in Europe and thought it would be interesting to meet americans , and not as a tourist or colleague.

Head hunted... so, you moved here for capitalistic purposes?

i took a big loss in pay and conditions and moving is expensive

moved to meet american people

i love them , i really do

they have so many endearing qualities

And yet you openly cling to an ideology that has as its ultimate goal the destruction of everything that makes Americans the sort of people you appreciate and threatens them with Marxist liquidation and proletarian misery.

That's a bit of a cognitive disconnect.

And taking a pay cut to come to America just because you like Americans?

Sounds pretty fishy to me. Combined with the other information you've given us, it sounds much more like something a Communist mole who came here to insinuate herself in our society as a fifth-column infiltrator so she can act against our national interests in support of Marxism and Communism would do. It wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened. McCarthy ferreted out more than two hundred such infiltrators and fellow-travelers back in the 50's.

Or, perhaps you're a Marxist hypocrite who is profiteering at the expense of the oppressed working class, as I suggested before.

Those are the only two scenarios that make any logical sense.

[JOZeldenrust]

I was head hunted while living in Europe and thought it would be interesting to meet americans , and not as a tourist or colleague.

Head hunted... so, you moved here for capitalistic purposes?

i took a big loss in pay and conditions and moving is expensive

moved to meet american people

i love them , i really do

they have so many endearing qualities

And yet you openly cling to an ideology that has as its ultimate goal the destruction of everything that makes Americans the sort of people you appreciate and threatens them with Marxist liquidation and proletarian misery.

That's a bit of a cognitive disconnect.

And taking a pay cut to come to America just because you like Americans?

Sounds pretty fishy to me. Combined with the other information you've given us, it sounds much more like something a Communist mole who came here to insinuate herself in our society as a fifth-column infiltrator so she can act against our national interests in support of Marxism and Communism would do. It wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened. McCarthy ferreted out more than two hundred such infiltrators and fellow-travelers back in the 50's.

Or, perhaps you're a Marxist hypocrite who is profiteering at the expense of the oppressed working class, as I suggested before.

Those are the only two scenarios that make any logical sense.

That, or your understanding of communism and/or socialism in general or Morticia's positions in particular is lacking, but that's just silly.

[Seth]

I was head hunted while living in Europe and thought it would be interesting to meet americans , and not as a tourist or colleague.

Head hunted... so, you moved here for capitalistic purposes?

i took a big loss in pay and conditions and moving is expensive

moved to meet american people

i love them , i really do

they have so many endearing qualities

And yet you openly cling to an ideology that has as its ultimate goal the destruction of everything that makes Americans the sort of people you appreciate and threatens them with Marxist liquidation and proletarian misery.

That's a bit of a cognitive disconnect.

And taking a pay cut to come to America just because you like Americans?

Sounds pretty fishy to me. Combined with the other information you've given us, it sounds much more like something a Communist mole who came here to insinuate herself in our society as a fifth-column infiltrator so she can act against our national interests in support of Marxism and Communism would do. It wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened. McCarthy ferreted out more than two hundred such infiltrators and fellow-travelers back in the 50's.

Or, perhaps you're a Marxist hypocrite who is profiteering at the expense of the oppressed working class, as I suggested before.

Those are the only two scenarios that make any logical sense.

That, or your understanding of communism and/or socialism in general or Morticia's positions in particular is lacking, but that's just silly.

She's free to clarify her position and her beliefs. Until she does, I'm going to assume that she's what she says she is, a Marxist. That's pretty much all anyone needs to know, if one understands both Marx and Communism, as I do all too well.

[Wumbologist]

No thanks, I don't care to have sex with Marxists., they're likely to insist it's their proletarian right to equality of sexual outcomes.

Sexual Marxism works in theory and in practice, that's what sets it apart.

[charlou]

You admit to being a "card-carrying Marxist" and are evidently proud of it.

Where's that?

[Seth]

You admit to being a "card-carrying Marxist" and are evidently proud of it.

Where's that?

It was in her "about me" data. She's now changed it.

[.Morticia.]

i don't owe anybody anything, least of all, anybody here

an observation, in his rants filled with allusions to violence, seth manages to totally negate all the freedoms he says he is defending

[Seth]

i don't owe anybody anything, least of all, anybody here

an observation, in his rants filled with allusions to violence, seth manages to totally negate all the freedoms he says he is defending

Wrong. There has never existed in this nation the freedom to advocate for or participate in the violent overthrow of our government. That is "giving aid and comfort" to our enemies, and it's the definition of treason for a citizen, one of the penalties for which is death.

The Constitution of the United States is not a suicide pact, and it does not require us to overlook or ignore attacks upon our liberties, system or form of government or our society by our enemies, be they foreign or domestic. We, the People, have a perfect right to arrest, prosecute and imprison those who collude to destroy this nation as a matter of national self-defense.

More importantly, no foreign person has any claim upon our Constitution if they adhere to political ideologies that seek the destruction and overthrow of our government. The protections of the First Amendment are reserved to loyal citizens and those aliens who support our nation, not seditionists and enemies who seek to destroy us. And generally, foreigners who engage in such acts are frequently seen as spies, and the penalty for espionage and sabotage can also be death.

Any nation that stands idly by as sedition and treason are committed by citizens and/or foreigners will not long endure.

[.Morticia.]

i don't owe anybody anything, least of all, anybody here

an observation, in his rants filled with allusions to violence, seth manages to totally negate all the freedoms he says he is defending

Wrong. There has never existed in this nation the freedom to advocate for or participate in the violent overthrow of our government. That is "giving aid and comfort" to our enemies, and it's the definition of treason for a citizen, one of the penalties for which is death.

The Constitution of the United States is not a suicide pact, and it does not require us to overlook or ignore attacks upon our liberties, system or form of government or our society by our enemies, be they foreign or domestic. We, the People, have a perfect right to arrest, prosecute and imprison those who collude to destroy this nation as a matter of national self-defense.

More importantly, no foreign person has any claim upon our Constitution if they adhere to political ideologies that seek the destruction and overthrow of our government. The protections of the First Amendment are reserved to loyal citizens and those aliens who support our nation, not seditionists and enemies who seek to destroy us. And generally, foreigners who engage in such acts are frequently seen as spies, and the penalty for espionage and sabotage can also be death.

Any nation that stands idly by as sedition and treason are committed by citizens and/or foreigners will not long endure.

prove I believe and advocate what you wrote I do

[Seth]

i don't owe anybody anything, least of all, anybody here

an observation, in his rants filled with allusions to violence, seth manages to totally negate all the freedoms he says he is defending

Wrong. There has never existed in this nation the freedom to advocate for or participate in the violent overthrow of our government. That is "giving aid and comfort" to our enemies, and it's the definition of treason for a citizen, one of the penalties for which is death.

The Constitution of the United States is not a suicide pact, and it does not require us to overlook or ignore attacks upon our liberties, system or form of government or our society by our enemies, be they foreign or domestic. We, the People, have a perfect right to arrest, prosecute and imprison those who collude to destroy this nation as a matter of national self-defense.

More importantly, no foreign person has any claim upon our Constitution if they adhere to political ideologies that seek the destruction and overthrow of our government. The protections of the First Amendment are reserved to loyal citizens and those aliens who support our nation, not seditionists and enemies who seek to destroy us. And generally, foreigners who engage in such acts are frequently seen as spies, and the penalty for espionage and sabotage can also be death.

Any nation that stands idly by as sedition and treason are committed by citizens and/or foreigners will not long endure.

prove I believe and advocate what you wrote I do

You're the one who claims to be a "card carrying Marxist." Given that you are a guest in the United States, the burden is upon you to prove that you are NOT a risk. The presumption of Congress, and ICE, is that if you adhere to political ideologies that threaten violent overthrow of the United States and the Constitution, as Marxism inherently does, then you are presumed to be a danger and you are to be excluded from this nation. That's the law. The burden of proof is upon the person seeking entry, not the United States.

[.Morticia.]

prove your claims about my beliefs and activities.

Further I get interviewed by homeland all the time, they know me and am happy to have me.

I know the law and surprisingly, so do they.

It's you who are being un-american with your prejudice, vigilantism and oppression of freedom.

You are just a two bit keyboard warrior.

Get a life.

So shut the fuck up.

[Seth]

prove your claims about my beliefs and activities.

I'll let the FBI do that.

Further I get interviewed by homeland all the time, they know me and am happy to have me.

Uh huh. Do you tell them you're a "card carrying Marxist?" I doubt it.

I know the law and surprisingly, so do they.

So, you know Sec. 212. [8 U.S.C. 1182] (3) then. This is compelling evidence that you deliberately concealed your Marxist affiliations when applying for residency, which renders your green card invalid and subjects you to deportation.

It's you who are being un-american with your prejudice, vigilantism and oppression of freedom.

That's rich, coming from a "card carrying Marxist" who evidently lied on her application for a green card and advocates a political ideology diametrically opposed and violently hostile to everything America stands for. Card carrying Marxist aliens have no right to freedom in this country, and being vigilant is a far cry from being a vigilante. And it's not "prejudice," which is defined as "an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason."

My feelings about Marxists are a very, very carefully and thoroughly researched, analyzed and well-thought-out political position that I take towards Marxists and Marxism that is based on the writings of Marx himself and historical research into the ideology, practices and intentions of "card carrying Marxists." I don't "pre-judge" Marxists, I judge them based on the massive historical record of their tyrannical, despotic, genocidal and utterly fucking evil practices and ideology. They are a blight upon and a danger to humanity. That is a very carefully considered position, not "prejudice."

You are just a two bit keyboard warrior.

Methinks she doth protest too much.

Get a life.

I have one, defending liberty, justice and the American way and annoying card carrying, lying, Marxist illegal aliens.

So shut the fuck up.

How hypocritical of you. You, a resident alien who is not even a citizen, wraps herself in OUR flag (not yours) and hides behind OUR (not your) Constitution while telling a native-born citizen of the United States to "shut the fuck up" in direct defiance and disrespect of the very First Amendment that provides her with the right to make such a demand.

Massive cognitive and ethical disconnect there, Morticia.

Here's a clue for you: I'll shut the fuck up on the day that you're deported back from whence you came, and not before. You opened this can of worms, and now you're going to have to eat it raw. That's MY right, as an American citizen.

So, if you want to end this little give-and-take, you shut the fuck up and be grateful that you have a green card, however fraudulently obtained, and that I don't know who you are, because I'd gladly rat you out to the FBI if I did, because you have no right to be here, none at all.

So long as you keep trying to defend your actions, I'll keep right on replying.

[.Morticia.]

Go ring homeland security

"Homeland security? There's a foreign woman on my internet chat board, she said she's a card carrying marxist. You at homeland security obviously don't know what you are doing and fortunately I'm here to tell you that she should be dealt with . She's scaring me with her posts. It's REALLY IMPORTANT you do something soon before she destroys America and everything we believe in "

LOL