"Alt-right" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

[Forty Two]

That's not accurate. He did not say to wear racism, xenophobia and nativism as a badge of honor. He said that when certain folks call you racist, xenophobic or nativist, wear that as a badge of honor. The point is that the people who sling those labels around do so indiscriminately, and they are not accurate accusations.

Sure, it's not as if there aren't plentiful examples of alt-right groups and individuals proudly using the Nazi salute. Le Pen's party has a long history of racism (against Jews in particular), but no, in Bannon's view the accusations aren't accurate. Bullshit.

We're not talking about examples of groups that are racist. We're talking about Bannon and the people he was talking to, who aren't. And, your logic would be like applying the extreme left antifa fuckwits as "examples" of the left and saying it's fair to call them all illiberal, anti-free speech, violent scumbags using fascist techniques while they falsely claim being antifascist. Does the fact that there are such examples mean we can legitimately label anyone the left with that same label?

So, you don't apologize, and don't get into the denial game. Just tell them to fuck off and be proud that the far left asshats are calling you a racist. I do not think Steve Bannon is ceding to the leftists the power and authority to determine who really is racist and xenophobic. If it's up to that ilk, all white people, all conservatives, etc. are racist and xenophobic.

It's not just 'far left asshats' that view the alt-right and far right movements like Le Pen's party as racists, xenophobes and nativists. There's a reason for that: to a significant extent the people who're part of these groups are those things.

Not generally, because they get called racist for the reasons Bannon noted. "I am in favor of border security and reduced immigration levels...." --- "You're a racist!"

He asked "why do they call you racists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc....?" And, he answered "because they can't answer the basic questions that they put in front of them. You argue for sovereignty, and they call you a nativist. You argue for your freedom, and they call you a xenophobe. You argue for your country, and they call you a racist. But the days of that smear are over." Then he goes on to say wear that as a badge of honor.

Bannon's bullshit can't hide the fact that if you promote racist views, people call you a racist.

Not people - leftist asshats. And they say things like "all white people are racist." Or, they declare that being in favor of border security is racist and xenophobic.

You can quibble about his rhetoric,

It's not a quibble. You mischaracterized what he said - well, the article you cited mischaracterized it. He certainly did not suggest that one should be racist and proud of it, wearing it with a badge of honor. He does not agree that being against immigration, etc., is racist.

and maybe you've managed to convince yourself that the alt-right, the National Front, Britain First, and other far right movements aren't well populated with racists, but the fact is that Bannon has embraced the label, whatever justification for that he wants to give.

I note that you're not denying that he admires Mussolini.

Different issue. Bannon didn't say what you said he said in your post.

I didn't even look into the Mussolini claim at all. It's probably more bullshit, like when Pat Buchanan got skewered for calling Hitler a great man, which he was - in the same vein that Caesar (who killed millions), and such other historical figures are "great." Not "good." Not "moral." BUt, of course, nobody can let someone speak for himself. Have to spin it.

So, now, I'll go and see what Bannon said about Mussolini. "He was clearly loved by women. He was a guy’s guy. He has all that virility," Bannon said. "He also had amazing fashion sense, right, that whole thing with the uniforms. I’m fascinated by Mussolini." He noted that fascism is term used to smear populism, which he says are not even related. He fancies himself a populist, not a fascist.

So, big deal? Of course not. So he's fascinated by Mussolini. Good, maybe he knows something about the dictator, and isn't just bleating like a sheep about it, like most of his critics. I'm fascinated by Hitler and Nazi Germany - I've read widely about it. I'm currently fascinated by North Korea, and I'm voraciously reading and watching everything I can about the Kim family, and the system there. I find it fascinating.

EDIT - I just checked your cite on the Mussolini thing - really? "The Cut." LOL! So, the Cut paints Bannon's comments about virility, and fashion, and Bannon's statement that he was "fascinated" by Mussolini to pretend that what Bannon said was that he liked fascism and Mussolini's crackdown on political dissent, etc. Yeah....sure....that's fair..... riiiiiighhhhht....

I mean, come on L'Emmerdeur. There is enough to criticize about Bannon without going in for this nonsense.

You know, one article wrote that Bannon declared himself a Leninist. Maybe that makes it all better, since we know as a communist Lenin really wanted what's best for the common person, so Bannon must be a man of the people, looking to eliminate oppression and bring equality to the world....

[laklak]

Mussolini added a bit of Italian panache to National Socialism's otherwise rather Teutonic fashion palette. Not that there's anything wrong with a black leather trench coat and jackboots, but they're not particularly suited for an evening stroll through Trastevere.

[NineBerry]

Mussolini was before Hitler. The Italians invented fascism. The Nazis did then add some German Gründlichkeit.

[Cunt]

I think NineBerry might be pervinalia's sock (or vice-versa)

Same habit of avoiding the awkward questions.

[laklak]

The Eyeties can get a bit haphazard about things. Like the entire month of August, when there's nobody home.

[Cunt]

'August' comes from the ancient Greek for 'fuck you I'm getting laid abroad'.

[Brian Peacock]

That's not accurate. He did not say to wear racism, xenophobia and nativism as a badge of honor. He said that when certain folks call you racist, xenophobic or nativist, wear that as a badge of honor. The point is that the people who sling those labels around do so indiscriminately, and they are not accurate accusations. So, you don't apologize, and don't get into the denial game. Just tell them to fuck off and be proud that the far left asshats are calling you a racist. I do not think Steve Bannon is ceding to the leftists the power and authority to determine who really is racist and xenophobic. If it's up to that ilk, all white people, all conservatives, etc. are racist and xenophobic.

He asked "why do they call you racists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc....?" And, he answered "because they can't answer the basic questions that they put in front of them. You argue for sovereignty, and they call you a nativist. You argue for your freedom, and they call you a xenophobe. You argue for your country, and they call you a racist. But the days of that smear are over." Then he goes on to say wear that as a badge of honor.

So, you see, he's not admitting to being a racist. He's saying that he and the people he's talking to are not racists, but they are being CALLED racists by their opposition, because their opposition is devoid of substance.

But, of course, he gets portrayed as if he's saying "be proud racists, wearing racism as a badge of honor," which isn't anything close to what he said.

Yeah, and it's not like the National Front are an extreme nationalist, racist, and xenophobic party or anything.

[Cunt]

If you call someone 'racist' twice, they cancel each other out and they aren't racist anymore.

Whenever I hear someone accusing someone of being racist, I usually suspect racism driving the statement (no joke)

[JimC]

Again, this is not binary, unless you get totally polarised by the politics (an all too common thing...). No one can say that all members of all European nationalist groups are racist, and not all their arguments for restricting immigration are racist either. However, it is abundantly clear via decades of statements from members and spokesmen for such movements that there is a very significant racist element involved, with in many cases a clear fascist set of policies. It is not just a label thrown at them by the extreme left, it is simply and objectively a component of the mind set of many of their adherents.

[Brian Peacock]

If you call someone 'racist' twice, they cancel each other out and they aren't racist anymore.

Whenever I hear someone accusing someone of being racist, I usually suspect racism driving the statement (no joke)

Every time someone is called a SJW or Leftie a kitten dies.

[Cunt]

Again, this is not binary, unless you get totally polarised by the politics (an all too common thing...).

Holy fuck yes.
I used to follow pretty exclusively left media. Didn't realize the effect it had on me.
Later (around when I started using a new social media platform) I decided to consciously follow right media/humour etc. Now I do realize the effect it has on me, but I'm not really sure I'm any better equipped to deal with it.

Except that I am much more acutely aware of how taking any stance usually occupied by the right results in some pretty embarassing bullying by most people.

In a TV talk show, George Carlin was a guest next to Anne Coulter. Expecting awesome fireworks when he unloaded on the conservative personality, I was disappointed when he simply sat respectfully by and said nothing.

I now think that he was just extending professional courtesy, since he and she both do the same job.

No one can say that all members of all European nationalist groups are racist, and not all their arguments for restricting immigration are racist either. However, it is abundantly clear via decades of statements from members and spokesmen for such movements that there is a very significant racist element involved, with in many cases a clear fascist set of policies. It is not just a label thrown at them by the extreme left, it is simply and objectively a component of the mind set of many of their adherents.

If they don't call themselves racist, what is the point of calling them racist?

I could call you racist, you could disagree. By this device, I think we gain nothing. Well, I get a bit of chest-puffing and maybe a satisfying sneer behind my keyboard here, but other than that, no bueno.

Labeling people has a shit history. I learned that from some faggot a long time ago. He learned it from a retard. A bastard I know confirmed the lesson fairly recently.

But then again, I'm just some cunt, right?

[pErvinalia]

progressivism is awful

[pErvinalia]

But, saying that such uprisings would be good, or that communism would benefit society, is not illegal. The same goes for alt-right views and such..

The difference is that the alt-right people being banned entry aren't just discussing what would benefit society. They are often targeting segments of society based on skin colour, sex, sexual orientation (i.e. things that people can't change) for the reason that society isn't as good as it could be. They are not equivalent to communists, or whoever, discussing political ideologies.

[pErvinalia]

So, you don't apologize, and don't get into the denial game. Just tell them to fuck off and be proud that the far left asshats are calling you a racist. I do not think Steve Bannon is ceding to the leftists the power and authority to determine who really is racist and xenophobic. If it's up to that ilk, all white people, all conservatives, etc. are racist and xenophobic.

It's not just 'far left asshats' that view the alt-right and far right movements like Le Pen's party as racists, xenophobes and nativists.

That's right, it's those awful progressives. Those people that argued for the 40 hour week, the vote for women, the end of segregation, universal healthcare. That sort of awful stuff.

[pErvinalia]

She is pretty, NineBerry. What did you think of her pamphlet? Would you hand it out at your school? Would you ask your Imam if you could post one on the bulletin board?

What's your favourite colour. Have you ever had a racist dog? Do you think, racist dogs should be banned from urinating in public parks? What is the square root of 42? Where could I print cheap pamphlets? Would you have children with Lauren Southern? How many?

(This is why people don't answer your inane trolling questions, Cunt).